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Mar 17 2023 04:26pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Mar 17 2023 03:20pm)
how much more capacity to build do western states need?

the states you talk about are running multi hundred billion dollar budgets

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

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their entire nation has been founded upon rioting (late 1700s)


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Mar 17 2023 06:18pm
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Not sure what that has to do with anything.


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One of the awful things that has happened to Westerners broadly is that neoliberalism hasn't just gutted the capacity of the state to actually do or build anything people want


you say neoliberalism has gutted state capacities, but in fact they have have hundreds of billions at their disposal

is that not enough? maybe not wasting most of it would be a start
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Funny to see Marcel bots popping up everywhere

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https://imgur.com/b0zhRfy.jpeg

Funny to see Marcel bots popping up everywhere


holy fucking whoooosh, lol.
the french people would be the ones lighting shit on fire. it's like you neither understand the meme nor the situation. why don't you sit this one out, buddy?
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Mar 17 2023 08:08pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Mar 17 2023 05:18pm)
you say neoliberalism has gutted state capacities, but in fact they have have hundreds of billions at their disposal

is that not enough? maybe not wasting most of it would be a start

Having capital isn't really the issue, though. Capital alone doesn't make decisions, or even necessarily allow you to accomplish whatever thing you are looking to do.

Western states have large budgets when you look at the dollars, but little of that money gets to where it should be going. And even if government one day decided to fund important public works, it wouldn't have the ability to do so effectively because the skill pool no longer exists in large part.

Which creates a dual problem. Every once in a while when some thing needs to be built - a metro system, railway upkeep, a new bridge, a new nuclear power plant, whatever it may be - the lack of talent (not to mention the corruption) lead to the project coming in after years of delays, with enormous cost overruns, and degraded performance. Then, because of all these failures, the collective political imagination is further deflated.

And all of this is much less of an issue outside the West. There's actual optimism in society outside this awful place.
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holy fucking whoooosh, lol.
the french people would be the ones lighting shit on fire. it's like you neither understand the meme nor the situation. why don't you sit this one out, buddy?


Maybe you don't understand the meme Marcel bot
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Mar 17 2023 08:41pm
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Maybe you don't understand the meme Marcel bot


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Mar 17 2023 08:52pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 17 2023 09:16pm)
it's like you neither understand the meme nor the situation. why don't you sit this one out, buddy?




Wow!
That's sort of like how we feel when Euro-folk start explaining to us, how the US functions. LOL

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Having capital isn't really the issue, though. Capital alone doesn't make decisions, or even necessarily allow you to accomplish whatever thing you are looking to do.

Western states have large budgets when you look at the dollars, but little of that money gets to where it should be going. And even if government one day decided to fund important public works, it wouldn't have the ability to do so effectively because the skill pool no longer exists in large part.

Which creates a dual problem. Every once in a while when some thing needs to be built - a metro system, railway upkeep, a new bridge, a new nuclear power plant, whatever it may be - the lack of talent (not to mention the corruption) lead to the project coming in after years of delays, with enormous cost overruns, and degraded performance. Then, because of all these failures, the collective political imagination is further deflated.

And all of this is much less of an issue outside the West. There's actual optimism in society outside this awful place.


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