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Sep 28 2020 08:39am
So I was hearing a month or more ago about how Trump was trying to pressure billionaires to donate to his campaign, and was pretty unsuccessful, with one saying "I think you should run on getting money from the little guy as a selling point" as a way to get Trump to stop asking.

Now it looks like his campaign is virtually out of cash and he's pulling ads from all but 3 states.

Thoughts?
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Sep 28 2020 10:32am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 28 Sep 2020 16:39)
So I was hearing a month or more ago about how Trump was trying to pressure billionaires to donate to his campaign, and was pretty unsuccessful, with one saying "I think you should run on getting money from the little guy as a selling point" as a way to get Trump to stop asking.

Now it looks like his campaign is virtually out of cash and he's pulling ads from all but 3 states.

Thoughts?


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/28/trump-super-pac-bloomberg-422407

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The newest super PAC supporting Donald Trump’s reelection has spent more than $80 million in the last month, providing a badly needed boost to the president as his campaign faces a cash crunch and he confronts an avalanche of liberal money.

Preserve America, an outfit that has the backing of GOP megadonors, has suddenly become one of the biggest outside group spenders of the 2020 campaign.


So there is still a lot of campaign spending by the usual GOP megadonors. It seems strange though that those donors prefer to spend the money via their own super PAC rather than donate to Trump's.
Either they dont trust his campaign's handling of its finances, or they dont trust its messaging-choices.


If I had to guess, I would say they do it this way to leave open the option of bailing on Trump and focusing their money entirely on holding the Senate if they come to the conclusion that Trump's reelection bid is a lost cause.
Oooor perhaps they have already come this conclusion, and are only propping Trump up to the extent that is necessary/helpful for the downballot races.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 28 2020 10:33am
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Sep 29 2020 02:09pm


"U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval of a plan concerning U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private mail server."
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Sep 29 2020 02:12pm
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https://i.imgur.com/XEmCIwl.jpg

"U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval of a plan concerning U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private mail server."


Not a single voter who still cares about Hillary's emails in twenty fucking twenty is still undecided. Those who care about stuff like that are already staunch Trump supporters.
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Sep 29 2020 02:16pm
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Not a single voter who still cares about Hillary's emails in twenty fucking twenty is still undecided. Those who care about stuff like that are already staunch Trump supporters.


It shows that as early as July 26th, 2016, everyone at the top levels- Brennan, Comey, Strzok, Obama himself- were all briefed that Hillary Clinton was approving a plan to vilify Trump by tying him to Russian hackers just as a way to distract from her own scandal.
This was before all the pivotal approvals in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, when those same FBI agents turned around and pretended they had reason to believe Trump was tied to Russian hackers and used that as a basis to spy on his campaign.

Her emails aren't the story here
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Sep 29 2020 02:23pm
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It shows that as early as July 26th, 2016, everyone at the top levels- Brennan, Comey, Strzok, Obama himself- were all briefed that Hillary Clinton was approving a plan to vilify Trump by tying him to Russian hackers just as a way to distract from her own scandal.
This was before all the pivotal approvals in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, when those same FBI agents turned around and pretended they had reason to believe Trump was tied to Russian hackers and used that as a basis to spy on his campaign.

Her emails aren't the story here


Perhaps. My point is still correct: those who care about this stuff in 2020 are already Trump voters anyway.
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Sep 29 2020 02:27pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 29 2020 01:12pm)
Not a single voter who still cares about Hillary's emails in twenty fucking twenty is still undecided. Those who care about stuff like that are already staunch Trump supporters.


Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 29 2020 01:16pm)
It shows that as early as July 26th, 2016, everyone at the top levels- Brennan, Comey, Strzok, Obama himself- were all briefed that Hillary Clinton was approving a plan to vilify Trump by tying him to Russian hackers just as a way to distract from her own scandal.
This was before all the pivotal approvals in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, when those same FBI agents turned around and pretended they had reason to believe Trump was tied to Russian hackers and used that as a basis to spy on his campaign.

Her emails aren't the story here


I think the argument could be made that there was criminal wrongdoing here. There's still the question regarding FISA warrants, unmasking of US citizens without proof of wrongdoing, leaks to the press, etc.

I'm far less interested in the emails than the fact that Biden was briefed on all this, and never thought twice about it. There's a strong push in the direction that Due Process itself is on trial here, with a vote for Biden insuring it disappears. I mean, if federal level law enforcement, intelligence agencies, and the court system can all be utilized to violate the rights of US citizens without consequence simply due to being political opponents, what chance does average Joe have to maintain their liberty?
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Sep 29 2020 02:31pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 29 2020 04:23pm)
Perhaps. My point is still correct: those who care about this stuff in 2020 are already Trump voters anyway.


While probably true, the fact that American intelligence and law enforcement were seemingly weaponized against a political candidate still needs to be said.

This is far more destructive to long-term political stability than Trump desecrating a few political norms.
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Sep 29 2020 02:43pm
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While probably true, the fact that American intelligence and law enforcement were seemingly weaponized against a political candidate still needs to be said.

This is far more destructive to long-term political stability than Trump desecrating a few political norms.


Yeah, Norms like saying he would commit to a peaceful transition between Administrations.

Those little norms that nobody should care about.

Pay no attention to the fact that officials on both sides of the aisle are pretty much unanimous on this. That's obviously just corruption
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Sep 29 2020 03:06pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 29 Sep 2020 22:43)
Yeah, Norms like saying he would commit to a peaceful transition between Administrations.

Those little norms that nobody should care about.

Pay no attention to the fact that officials on both sides of the aisle are pretty much unanimous on this. That's obviously just corruption


Who the fuck cares if Trump publicly pays lip service to a peaceful transition of power? What's relevant is that he actually does it when his time in the WH is up.
If he had actually been asked about it by the press in 2016, Obama would definitely have made this pledge, while at the same time weaponizing the agencies to undermine Trump.
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