deaths / million
Yes, you are.

And Sweden is reaching herd immunity each months, this is they 3rd one at least

Some vaccines might not be feasible for the elderly and have to go to the young and healthy first.


Epidemiologists are currently calculating this through, calculating how to distribute the vaccine for maximum effect. It's not entirely clear that the first round of a vaccine in (temporarily) limited supply should really go to the most at-risk groups as opposed to the groups most prone to spreading it. Healthcare workers and other kinds of essential personnel will go first, that's certain, but after them, the optimal order is not as clear cut.

Also note that most pharma companies are already producing large volumes of their vaccine candidates, so that a decent amount is available on the day the FED gives them the green light.
I would also expect different vaccines from various companies to hit the market at roughly the same time, so I dont actually expect long-lasting supply shortages.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 24 2020 12:01pm

oh im quite aware, ive designed 4 vaccine conveyor lines this month.

tricky fuckers too, damn tiny ass bottles.

I'm now on a project helping my boss design and antibody test to characterize cancers so we can Target one of the therapies we work with to specific patients.

F*** everything about working with microliter scale projects.

I can't imagine how terrible it must be designing the systems to automate this crap

Insufficient or non existent coverage does not stop someone from coming to the hospital. If someone is sick they are going to go in. The actual hospitalization rates across the majority of countries are within several % of each other and has been fairly consistent.

Your arguments might explain differences in mortality but guess what our mortality rates are better anyway so not sure what you in fact are attempting to argue.

The fact remains early mitigation would have not put us in the position we are currently in, Asia being a key example. As I already referenced before, indeed the Asian population is different which is a worthwhile point. They are more educated, more responsible, and most importantly had the advantage of leadership that took appropriate action.

we got offered a job to transfer bottles in large mass flow but in testing couldnt get them to stay up and not cause jams for anywhere near the price they wanted, let alone the speed.

luckily the lines ive done were hand pack, and not fully automated, so a few tipped bottles out of every 1000 is no biggie.

The vast majority of infected persons dont need hospitalization, and most of them also dont get so sick that they have no other choice but to take a sick leave. So when Americans with a mild course of the disease dont have paid sick leave, have insufficient coverage and/or dont have the savings to afford missing a paycheck, then they will of course be far more inclined to 1. not get tested despite showing symptoms, 2. keep going to work while having symptoms and 3. not following proper quarantining protocol if tested positive.

Hence, it's blatantly obvious that those factors I listed in my previous post will lead to an individual behavior which facilitates the spread of the virus.


You were arguing that the higher spread and case numbers in the US, compared to Europe, are indicative of American failure on the leadership and societal level. Which is true, I agree with that (although we probably disagree about the extent). You also rightfully pointed out that there are certain contributing factors which I didnt account for earlier today, factors which complicate this comparison and make the US look even worse than the topline numbers suggest. But if you bring up contributing factors which shift the comparison in one direction, it is only fair when I bring up other factors pulling the comparison in the opposite direction and which you failed to account for. Namely the lack of social security in the US and how it encourages detrimental behavior.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 24 2020 01:17pm

Oh that is fair I misinterpreted your first paragraph. Agree. I think it’s pretty much accepted that the amount of cases we actually have in the country are substantially higher than the cases confirmed for precisely your reasoning.

But my point is it didn’t have to be that way, despite the valuable head start we had. We have outspent every country in the world with coronavirus relief, so why is our population so scared to miss work? We have witnessed close to the largest wealth transfer in the history of human society, over the last half year. The countries that had proper mitigation measures, and financial safety nets for every citizen including sick pay will no doubt show up as winners when all is said and done.

The awful part is that should have been us. We had all the resources, private sector power, trained medical staff , to be the proper leaders with this crisis. Instead you have Alleged financial advisors on CNBC telling people to borrow from their 401ks and IRAs. Lol really

Is the ventilator scam not common knowledge? The US government practically mandated many private companies to assist with ventilator production, mask production, gowns/gloves etc. these products were purchased by the federal government. Sold to 3rd party organizations that literally popped up weeks prior, who then created bidding wars between states. Absolutely pathetic and wtf level parody

Aside from early restriction of Chinese flights which you hear about from admin every 3rd sentence, I don’t know how much we did right here from either health or financial perspectives, clearly not much because America is failing in both regards. This is despite being the first country in the world to outline a proper therapeutic approach.

This post was edited by Bazi on Sep 24 2020 01:51pm

Let's face the truth: US dramatically messed up with the opportunity to stop the covid19.
I would say: 3 weeks advantage, wasted. 300 000 deads maybe more till january 1.

Governement AND culture failed it, and in France we did much better (while not being the best at it, low reaction time) while being in first timeline and probably being the country with the largest rate of "c19 tourism" aka early contagion.
Above anything: this is a severe weakness vs Asian discipline, where everyone was able to wear a mask quickly while there was a complete selfish chaos on the other side.

I really hope the best for future to the west. Btw i think the whole american continent (south) has catastrophic numbers.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Sep 24 2020 03:08pm

Culture does play a role but their govts also can impose penalties on non mask wearers we in the west can't. Or won't in some cases.