Quote (Skinned @ May 8 2022 09:28am)

The Medicaid system is pretty broken. Capitalist welfare de-incentivizes self-improvement to a large degree by drastically reducing your ability to stay healthy and use widely available healthcare if you do something like become a waitress.

The best places to get women's health services like contraception or prenatal care if you don't have access to private health insurance are places like Planned Parenthood, who offer low cost ultrasounds and vitamins for struggling people. Women aren't allowed to have liberty in health care because non-doctors want to tell them what choices than can and can't make regarding reproduction. Some of these lawmakers even want to kill them by banning ectopic abortions, and also putting the wishes above the wishes of the woman in terms of carrying a baby to term.

There is no reason for male lawmakers to be legislating what women should do at the doctors. We should legislate mandatory prostate exams for men starting at 40 and every 5 years after that to return the favor.

These are people who threw temper tantrums about wearing a mask and getting a vaccine wanting to use the power of government to force women to have babies. They are politically schizophrenic.

Quote (Slowtoanger @ May 8 2022 12:36pm)

So your point of contention is that IF so called prolifers really want to claim that stance, make active (and even perhaps radical) positive changes to the care of those woman who are in the predicament BEFORE even talking about the potential of taking away their rights? Is that about right? And are there states that have banned even ectopic abortions? Or are you just taking an extreme example to make a point like how a prolifer makes an extreme example of saying that prochoice wants to have babies aborted all the way upto birth and then some after birth?

As far as the male lawmakers goes, would you be okay if they said, you know what, let's just have all the female lawmakers just chime in on this and let that decisions be final? (I don't see how that can happen but let's just say).

Quote (Skinned @ May 8 2022 09:53am)

My stance is that the way to solving the problem of abortion is to reduce the reasons people have abortions.

Quote (SanduLungu @ May 8 2022 12:55pm)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcYfsupgWSw

terrorists

Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ May 8 2022 12:58pm)

> pull out method
> condoms
> anal
> birth control
> vasectomy
> plan b


do we have anymore to add?

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Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives
Lawrence B. Finer
Lori F. Frohwirth,Guttmacher Institute
Lindsay A. Dauphinee
Susheela Singh,Guttmacher Institute
Ann M. Moore,Guttmacher Institute
First published online: September 1, 2005
CONTEXT
Understanding women's reasons for having abortions can inform public debate and policy regarding abortion and unwanted pregnancy. Demographic changes over the last two decades highlight the need for a reassessment of why women decide to have abortions.

METHODS
In 2004, a structured survey was completed by 1,209 abortion patients at 11 large providers, and in-depth interviews were conducted with 38 women at four sites. Bivariate analyses examined differences in the reasons for abortion across subgroups, and multivariate logistic regression models assessed associations between respondent characteristics and reported reasons.

RESULTS
The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents' or partners' desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.

CONCLUSIONS
The decision to have an abortion is typically motivated by multiple, diverse and interrelated reasons. The themes of responsibility to others and resource limitations, such as financial constraints and lack of partner support, recurred throughout the study.

Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2005, 37(3):110–118

Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ May 8 2022 01:01pm)

lol, well... "reduce the reasons people have abortions."

Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ May 8 2022 01:05pm)

I mean, what I said was correct, those things to reduce abortions, am I wrong?

Quote (Skinned @ May 8 2022 10:00am)

Well the guy lied under oath, said he wouldn't do something, then did it. He doesn't respect the court he is on. When public figures go rogue this is the highest form of accountability. Impeachment was started by the Aztecs and involved stoning. The oligarchs keep forgetting their heads come off like anyone else's. Kavanaugh is a liar judge and doesn't deserve anything but impeachment.

Of course you see people using the Bill of Rights as terrorists, because you're a fascist.

Standing outside expressing displeasure toward your masters isn't intimidation.



You forgot abortion.

Quote (Skinned @ May 8 2022 10:00am)

Your reading comprehension sucks lol.

Why I support Common Core.

Quote (Slowtoanger @ 8 May 2022 18:17)

But is there really an "end" to de-incentivise abortion? Because at the end of the day, there is nothing that the de-incentivizing programs that can ever offer that will ever free itself from the notion of woman's bodily autonomy right? Because woman's bodily autonomy is greater than the POTENTIAL life. Like, the current life that woman has will and always be greater than the potential life that can be created into this world and this is your personal opinion. (Is that about right? Please correct me if I oversimplified it or isn't correct).

And I know it's semantics but you should say a woman's choice vs the mother's choice unless you are meaning that any woman that gets pregnant does get donned the motherhood status. (If that's what you're saying, that's fine too but that would be odd thing to say because what constitutes a woman to be a mother is the HAVE a child where as the woman who chooses abortion doesn't see the fetus as a child at all). But yeah, I don't know if I can ever get behind the notion that some woman MAY use abortions as a form of "birth control" but with that, I would guess that the percentage of these kinds of woman cannot be that high in nature.

But one thing that I want to ask though is, in your opinion, government should have less regulation on private affairs so isn't RvW getting overturned a "positive" step towards that direction? Going from the control of a federal government to State? Or is it the idea that if RvW gets overturned, the power that's given to each individual states will be too great and potentially restricting the woman's right bylarge?

Quote (Slowtoanger @ 8 May 2022 18:22)

Are you saying that there isn't a program currently or are you saying that the current programs are not enough?

I'd have to look into it but I was under the assumption that there are programs to help woman who are in such predicament.

Quote (fender @ May 8 2022 01:06pm)

you don't have to "get behind" the idea, you don't ever have to support it. again, i too am morally opposed to those kinds of abortions. the questions you should ask yourself are:

- firstly, and most importantly: is it my place, my right to decide that for other people? are my moral concerns so important to warrant a massive infringement on every woman's right, even though it will predictably not even prevent such abortions in the future, but merely punishing poor and minority women disproportionally.
- secondly: even if you concluded it's up to you to make that decision, what is the bigger "evil"? missing out on punishing women who callously misuse abortions as birth control, or punishing all women including those in difficult, even desperate circumstances, by stripping away their right to bodily self-determination?

i don't think those are particularly difficult questions to answer, especially if you're aware that so much really basic (as in it's already long standing practice in many peer countries) stuff can be done to drastically decrease the need for "convenience" abortions, from education to mental and physical healthcare, to financial support for women and children...

let's not forget, and this ties into your final question about the impact of overturning roe v. wade, that while we can have exhaustive conversations about hypothetical scenarios and moral considerations, decisions like this will have a very tangible, real life effects: in large parts of red america, abortions are ALREADY de facto unavailable thanks to legal tricks and loopholes used to make it nearly impossible for abortion providers to operate in states - despite roe. with roe v. wade, which was decided based on the right to privacy, falling, not only will those abortion bans (many not even including exceptions for rape, incest, or ectopic pregnancies!) go unchallenged in all red states, but other decision based on the right to privacy are sure to follow. some of the issues this concerns: homosexuality, contraception, pornography, gay marriage, forced sterilisation, interracial marriage... a eugenics wet dream for conservative bigots...

https://i.imgur.com/3GOVAWu.jpeg

some further reading on the real life impact: https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1522260023379902466



https://i.imgur.com/sR5lCpB.jpg

Quote (Skinned @ 8 May 2022 19:08)

Absolutely disgusting. Pro-birth radicals are complete psychopaths. They want to keep people poor and uneducated so they vote GOP.