d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Coronavirus Thread
Prev1687688689690691910Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 27,048
Joined: Dec 21 2007
Gold: 14,569.69
Sep 23 2020 09:20am
Can somebody explain why a large portion of the public says that: Only a few have died from COVID, most had pre existing conditions therefore it was not a COVID death.
This seems like some shitty logic to me, but lets hear it.

Member
Posts: 54,187
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,945.67
Sep 23 2020 09:32am
Quote (theCrossbones @ 23 Sep 2020 17:20)
Can somebody explain why a large portion of the public says that: Only a few have died from COVID, most had pre existing conditions therefore it was not a COVID death.
This seems like some shitty logic to me, but lets hear it.


Covid policy is inevitably about the tradeoff between the loss of wealth and liberties on the one side and the loss of life on the other. If the virus predominantly kills multimorbid old people whose remaining life expectancy was very limited to begin with, then the right side of the equation (loss of expected life years) shrinks, and the amount of personal sacrifice that the non-at-risk groups should "objectively" accept in the tradeoff shrinks accordingly.

It's of course a flawed logic since the loss of wealth and liberties is not a monotonous or linear function of the severity of the covid measures (tougher measures can very well yield better economic outcomes in some cases, or allow restrictions like mask mandates to be lifted sooner). This logic also disregards morals, personal bonds to our elderly loved ones and potential long-term side effects of covid among the younger folks.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 23 2020 09:33am
Member
Posts: 93,001
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,299.94
Sep 23 2020 09:34am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 23 2020 10:20am)
Can somebody explain why a large portion of the public says that: Only a few have died from COVID, most had pre existing conditions therefore it was not a COVID death.
This seems like some shitty logic to me, but lets hear it.


because the GOP is more willing to trade the lives of working men and women and the elderly than unborn babies that they also dont want to support financially.
Member
Posts: 57,138
Joined: Nov 7 2009
Gold: 2,195.68
Sep 23 2020 09:44am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 23 2020 11:20am)
Can somebody explain why a large portion of the public says that: Only a few have died from COVID, most had pre existing conditions therefore it was not a COVID death.
This seems like some shitty logic to me, but lets hear it.


They deserved it
Member
Posts: 55,374
Joined: Mar 6 2006
Gold: 220.48
Sep 23 2020 10:14am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 23 2020 11:20am)
Can somebody explain why a large portion of the public says that: Only a few have died from COVID, most had pre existing conditions therefore it was not a COVID death.
This seems like some shitty logic to me, but lets hear it.


Because they're regurgitating the conservative propaganda that was spread after the cdc report about comorbidities come out, without actually understanding what the report meant. We have quite a few in pard that still keep repeating that propaganda. Just part of the GOP's attempt to downplay it and try to mitigate the damage turnip has done.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 23 2020 11:34am)
because the GOP is more willing to trade the lives of working men and women and the elderly than unborn babies that they also dont want to support financially.


And this.
Member
Posts: 41,270
Joined: Apr 14 2006
Gold: 1,788.71
Sep 23 2020 11:16am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 22 2020 08:17am)
Have those cases actually been confirmed as actual reinfections with Covid-19?
Iirc, those reinfection cases from South Korea were later found to have been technical false positives - more specifically, it was found that the PCR test had reacted positive to dead fragments of the Sars-CoV-2 virus which were still remnant in the blood of those patients. They did not have a live infection with Sars-CoV-2, let alone an actual outbreak of Covid-19.

Either way, even if we set aside the big question mark surrounding those cases, it must still be noted that those handful of cases of "confirmed reinfections" are negligible in number, relative to the overall volume of coronavirus cases the world has seen so far.



The tldr, imho, is that "but reinfections are possible" is a very weak argument, based on our current knowledge. Neither adds up qualitatively nor quantitatively. The real argument against what Bobb was saying is that tying exemptions from the hygiene rules to some sort of "immunity passport" would create a very perverse and very strong incentive for people to intentionally get infected. At least for now, the negative side effects of this incentive (still) far outweigh the potenial gain from such exemptions.


Reinfections have absolutely been confirmed, but not very common at all

Are there really people that are still anti mask September of 2020? I thought those were just fake memes lol. A seat belt is arguably more uncomfortable than a mask and they clearly have been demonstrated across the world to decrease spread. Not just about preventing death, do you know how many 30-50 year olds I personally have seen that are going to end up with ridiculous hospital bills. Obsessing about mortality rates is ignoring a myriad of other problems

Even your President was caught on record admittedly downplaying the role of masks. The man has access to daily 1 hour return testing, the American population does not. Our testing abilities are actually regressing for reasons I don’t really know. We were at 24 hour turn around times and now it’s taking 2-4 days to get a test back again.

This post was edited by Bazi on Sep 23 2020 11:26am
Member
Posts: 93,001
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,299.94
Sep 23 2020 11:28am
Quote (Bazi @ Sep 23 2020 12:16pm)
Reinfections have absolutely been confirmed, but not very common at all

Are there really people that are still anti mask September of 2020? I thought those were just fake memes lol. A seat belt is arguably more uncomfortable than a mask.

Even your President was caught on record admittedly downplaying the role of masks. The man has access to daily 1 hour return testing, the American population does not. Our testing abilities are actually regressing for reasons I don’t really know. We were at 24 hour turn around times and now it’s taking 2-4 days to get a test back again.


dude in wisconsin if i got to a store like walmart, where they have a monitor at the entrance and signs everywhere saying you need a mask its 50% with no mask at all inside and a bunch of people with their nose out.

my area is rapidly closing schools due to spikes in cases, and has large swaths of parents against kids in masks and crying that they cant go into the school with no mask to get their kids.

my company has been interviewing hires in no mask interviews, no one wears on except maybe 1 in 10 on the shop floor and office, etc.

400 pound lard ass called me a sheep for wearing mine to a meeting in that half joking half serious tone, and i said "i wouldnt worry Jim, you're in great health you'll beat this thing np" in the same tone. if he gets it it's RIP in under a week i'd guess.
Member
Posts: 41,270
Joined: Apr 14 2006
Gold: 1,788.71
Sep 23 2020 11:47am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 23 2020 12:28pm)
dude in wisconsin if i got to a store like walmart, where they have a monitor at the entrance and signs everywhere saying you need a mask its 50% with no mask at all inside and a bunch of people with their nose out.

my area is rapidly closing schools due to spikes in cases, and has large swaths of parents against kids in masks and crying that they cant go into the school with no mask to get their kids.

my company has been interviewing hires in no mask interviews, no one wears on except maybe 1 in 10 on the shop floor and office, etc.

400 pound lard ass called me a sheep for wearing mine to a meeting in that half joking half serious tone, and i said "i wouldnt worry Jim, you're in great health you'll beat this thing np" in the same tone. if he gets it it's RIP in under a week i'd guess.



Smh. Iowa not much different. Not even talking about rural Iowa but Des Moines specifically which is your average mid sized city

Yeah I mean it’s a numbers game. Not everyone will get it, and if you’re not wearing a mask you might be fine. But you gonna take the chance and potentially spread it to someone else who might not be? Someone else who might just end up in the hospital for several days and end up with a 5 digit hospital bill?

You won’t need it for the rest of your life or if you’re outside. Why is it still such a zomgfreedom statement, knowing the vast majority of GOP leadership wouldn’t be caught interacting with someone who wasn’t recently tested or with precautions. I don’t understand some GOP followers who simultaneously blame China and call it a hoax. If it’s a hoax then what are you blaming China for lol

Winter will be disastrous, been saying this for a long time. The overall prevalence is just way too high and setting up for a large spike to come. This is *IGNORING* flu and rhino/entero/American corona/and the 20 other respiratory viruses we commonly see. The US is largely a every person for themself society and it’s showing...which is where my premise of market correcting comes from. Don’t think we have seen lows, but I digress

This post was edited by Bazi on Sep 23 2020 11:49am
Member
Posts: 93,001
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,299.94
Sep 23 2020 11:58am
Quote (Bazi @ Sep 23 2020 12:47pm)
Smh. Iowa not much different. Not even talking about rural Iowa but Des Moines specifically which is your average mid sized city

Yeah I mean it’s a numbers game. Not everyone will get it, and if you’re not wearing a mask you might be fine. But you gonna take the chance and potentially spread it to someone else who might not be? Someone else who might just end up in the hospital for several days and end up with a 5 digit hospital bill?

You won’t need it for the rest of your life or if you’re outside. Why is it still such a zomgfreedom statement, knowing the vast majority of GOP leadership wouldn’t be caught interacting with someone who wasn’t recently tested or with precautions. I don’t understand some GOP followers who simultaneously blame China and call it a hoax. If it’s a hoax then what are you blaming China for lol

Winter will be disastrous, been saying this for a long time. The overall prevalence is just way too high and setting up for a large spike to come. This is *IGNORING* flu and rhino/entero/American corona/and the 20 other respiratory viruses we commonly see. The US is largely a every person for themself society and it’s showing...which is where my premise of market correcting comes from. Don’t think we have seen lows, but I digress


i have noticed that too lol, people are idiots.

fatso 400 lb guy said he wont wear a mask because its a protest on the governors order, so i asked him if he wore one before the order, silence. then i asked "if the gov said u had to vote, would you not vote to protest", silence, then "that's different". i said "it is different, u want to vote", silence, grumbles, "idk ummmm" *softly*, silence, grumbles.
Member
Posts: 41,270
Joined: Apr 14 2006
Gold: 1,788.71
Sep 23 2020 12:06pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 23 2020 12:58pm)
i have noticed that too lol, people are idiots.

fatso 400 lb guy said he wont wear a mask because its a protest on the governors order, so i asked him if he wore one before the order, silence. then i asked "if the gov said u had to vote, would you not vote to protest", silence, then "that's different". i said "it is different, u want to vote", silence, grumbles, "idk ummmm" *softly*, silence, grumbles.


You know what man you just need to wake up you Fkin sheep

Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1687688689690691910Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll