A trick I learned from Widow.. you don't have to play the games of bad faith actors.

Most of us took those childhood "one and done"-vaccines when we were super young, at an age we can barely remember. Imho, more adults are aware of the yearly ad campaigns for the flu vaccine. Or about the tetanus, diphteria and pertussis vaccines which soldiers have to refresh in regular intervals while they're enlisted.

But okay, maybe I'm just an old fart and people remember their childhood vaccinations more vividly. *shrug*



I can't speak for your country, but in mine, the talking point about "once you are vaccined, you will get all your freedoms and old life back" was mostly used in the winter of 2020/21 as a carrot to dangle in front of the lockdown-weary people. By the time the bulk of the population was actually getting vaccinated, the focus was more on talking points about the "97% efficacy" and such. Which, like I said, were a gamble and an overpromise, but at least didn't come completely out of thin air. They were based on legit studies which just happened to be obsolute (due to new variants) by the time vaccines were reaching the bulk of the population.

Developments were overlapping and the public health officials didn't adjust their talking points and communication to the rapidly changing situation and new studies because the new data was inconvenient. And because it would have forced them to make a choice between indefinitely ongoing, draconian restrictions, or giving up on the low incidence strategy which most of the public health community had strongly advocated for for the previous 18 months. So they instead buried their heads in the sand, kept telling the (by then clear-cut lie) about the miraculous vaccine efficacy and even advocated for vaccine mandates and such. Which, of course, completely contradicted and subverted the whole "listen to the science"-spiel from the early days of the pandemic.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 6 2024 07:05pm

Kamala Harris got up on stage and was asked whether she trusted the vaccine and would take it. She qualified her answer and said if Trump told her to, she wouldn't.
Do you think we can draw a direct line between Kamala Harris being anti-vaxx on a national stage with the only audience she'd get for 4 years, and the high rate of unvaccinated black Americans who died at disproportionately high rates?
How many tens of thousands did Kamala kill with that one liner?

Are you saying black people are too stupid to understand what she was saying in context?

Are you trying to deny that she cast doubts on the vaccine and told people not to trust it if Trump asked them to take it?
We just spent a few years banning people from facebook, reddit and twitter for being a lot less skeptical of vaccines than Kamala was on stage in that clip

Did Black America really give a fuck about what Kamala Harris had to say back then? Imho, the low uptake among black Americans is more due to a deep-running distrust of the government, fueled by incidents like Tuskegee syphilis study or the Baltimore lead paint study:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Lead_Paint_Study


Also, how much of the black excess mortality is explained by higher obesity rates?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 6 2024 07:19pm

Kamala, in the short clip you posted out of context, tells the American people that if the vaccine is approved by health officials she'll be taking it.

It was approved. The Trump cult doesn't like the vaccine, they boo Trump when he promotes it, but Kamala endorsed it on that stage.

Why did Trump not get vaccinated on television? Why did he not promote the vaccine that he helped create?

Trump could've saved literally thousands of lives if he fully embraced it. He did not.

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 6 2024 07:25pm

She never says this.

Put the blunt down and watch the video again.

Kamala, in that clip, is directly asked if she would take the vaccine, and ends by saying no. She was asked if she would trust it, and followed the rule of everything before the word 'but' not mattering as she said if Donald Trump tells her to take it, she wouldn't.
Donald Trump told people to take the vaccine. He even got booed by some of his radical supporters when he pushed for more vaccinations. Kamala told her folks not to trust it.



So clip A shows Kamala saying she wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump told people to take it. Clip B shows Trump telling people to take the vaccine. I weigh these in each hand and what do I get?