I don't have covid, but have had it, self-quarantined while I got over it, and am well past any form of transmission. I'm not a contagion factor at all. Therefore, since I cannot spread it at all, me wearing a mask would be completely pointless.

Do you have it? Have you went and been tested for it? If you haven't had it, are you getting testing regularly enough to determine if you do have it? Do you believe that if you get it, simply wearing mask is a responsible enough response to being an active carrier, or should you isolate?

Again, I have exercised personal responsibility, and accorded myself in the safest manner possible without making any demands on others whatsoever. You on the other hand are pointing at something that for a great number of people is nothing more than completely useless virtue signaling, and DEMANDING that others obey you.

All your hand-wringing holier than thou bullshit over a cold is no longer interesting. Nobody cares what you do, stop demanding others recognize you as having some magical authority. You do not show that you care about other people in any way, shape, or form with your demands, merely that you seek to CONTROL other people.

This has not yet been substantiated. As much as they like to explain how antibodies work in high school, you can get reinfected with plenty of diseases. There have been a few cases of confirmed reinfection with Covid, but we don't have the data yet to know how common or uncommon that is.

Stepped right in it, didn't you? See, what you've just said is, "There's no way past this, you have to obey my demands forever!" Meanwhile, the left is discouraging the use of any vaccine released prior to the election, should one be confirmed effective, based on purely political ends.

As I said, it's a cold. Unpleasant, not much more. And as with most colds, flus, and other unpleasant illnesses, if it's communicable, the responsible thing is to self-isolate if you have it. If you're in a risk group that may die from something going around, the responsible act is not to demand everyone else completely change their lives to make you feel safer, it's to self-isolate and take whatever measures you can to protect yourself.

Personal responsibility, not perpetual control of others.

Except presymptomatic spread is significant so its not possible to know to isolate if you have it.

And if you're in a risk group and need to isolate nobody is paying your bills, so your proposal to self isolate isn't possible.

You claim to want facts over emotion but for the fourth or fifth time in just a day you're parroting propaganda and totally ignorant of even basic facts of the situation.

Between stimulus payouts, increased unemployment payouts, and personal relief funds available, executive orders that prevent evictions and shutting off of utilities, it really rather DOES seem like at-risk groups are receiving quite a lot of assistance to self-isolate. As are many who are not at-risk at all, and should be working, but simply cannot.

And yes, I would like facts over emotion. The problem is that I'm not receiving many from you. "Well there are possible but unconfirmed cases that people may be able to catch it again." Okay... That exists for most viruses to a small extent, but usually implies a compromised immune system, not something special about the virus. Now point me to numbers of multiple contractions of Covid19. How many are there? Millions? Thousands? Hundreds? Wait no, a handful of unconfirmed cases. Okay then. Nothing concrete to build policy over.

Every flu season, the need to not go coughing and sneezing on other people, especially old people, is highlighted. Why? Because they're a severely at-risk group who're more likely to be lethally susceptible. Sounds a lot like Covid, right? Thing is, the elderly are also advised to avoid contact as much as possible, and if possible, get vaccinated to protect themselves.

You make claims about parroting propaganda, yet the "everyone must mask up or we'll all die!" narrative is pure propaganda. So, go back to defending sending covid-positive patients back to nursing homes, and we'll just agree that you're very into controlling other people who you have no authority over, while I value personal responsibility.

Have those cases actually been confirmed as actual reinfections with Covid-19?
Iirc, those reinfection cases from South Korea were later found to have been technical false positives - more specifically, it was found that the PCR test had reacted positive to dead fragments of the Sars-CoV-2 virus which were still remnant in the blood of those patients. They did not have a live infection with Sars-CoV-2, let alone an actual outbreak of Covid-19.

Either way, even if we set aside the big question mark surrounding those cases, it must still be noted that those handful of cases of "confirmed reinfections" are negligible in number, relative to the overall volume of coronavirus cases the world has seen so far.



The tldr, imho, is that "but reinfections are possible" is a very weak argument, based on our current knowledge. Neither adds up qualitatively nor quantitatively. The real argument against what Bobb was saying is that tying exemptions from the hygiene rules to some sort of "immunity passport" would create a very perverse and very strong incentive for people to intentionally get infected. At least for now, the negative side effects of this incentive (still) far outweigh the potenial gain from such exemptions.

As with any cold, "intentionally getting infected" is stupid. Hiding in a hole in fear of it if you are not an at-risk group is also stupid. Telling people they cannot conduct the business of their daily lives to care for their family, put food on their tables, and educate their children is ALSO stupid.

Some of them were shown to be false positives, but some (I think 7) of them have been confirmed reinfections.

It’s really too bad that we don’t have clockwork orange style street gangs splitting people’s heads open who aren’t wearing a mask.

Fine, then genuine reinfections seem to occur in negligible numbers, just like I said.


Btw, could you please post it here when this study about the frequency and severity of long-term side effects (chronic fatigue syndrome, lung fibrosis, etc.) that you were talking about repeatedly is made publicly available? No hurry, I understand that good research takes its time to make its way to the public, I'm just genuinely curious since that's THE key information for the way forward.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 23 2020 07:14am