because trump and christie emasculated him to the land of no return in a party where that sort of thing matters

One bad debate moment in a Republican primary isn't enough to stop Rubio from winning the Republican nomination in the future or even the presidency. Rubio will come back stronger in 2020 and hopefully Republicans make a better choice.

first place and second place were Trump and Cruz

long ways to go till they get back to picking people most of the country would want anything to do with in a general

3rd and 4th were both moderate candidates who would have had an ok, but still losing, general, Kasich and Rubio. Despite the circus of a primary half of the final 4 were decent candidates. Rubio just panders too much and Kasich has too strong of a war on drugs stance. But both are fixable and both could have a good 2020 run.

The only reason Rubio didn't rise was his robotic tendencies. He could speak great off the cuff but would inexplicably go right into entirely scripted practiced routines. He needs to work on being more approachable, a latino in the GOP could be a real threat.

I really don't think that is true. Trump has been a tremendously uniting factor for liberals and moderates... if Rubio or particularly Kasich ran, I think they would have the advantage.

He will get better as he gets more confident. My favorite thing about Bill Clinton, toward the end, you would see him saying one thing, and see the teleprompter saying something completely different, where he would just go into an in depth tangent about some aspect of policy and describe it with lucid nuance, and the speechwriters were somewhere scratching their heads.

We have been successful under smart presidents. I don't know why the GOP is rejecting them. Voting for Trump over Cruz or Rubio seems insane to me. Its like they think this is the dialog of a wrestling match, and the election is the match, and its just done after that. The guy can't talk intelligently about the job he is running for, and they want four years of temper tantrums, cop outs, and shitting the bed? Good grief.



There would at least be an election with choices for intelligent people.

This post was edited by Skinned on Aug 17 2016 08:23am

Rubio would lose

Kasich could win because people don't see him as a threat and lots of people could stay home because they wouldn't be worried which would benefit him

i still think HRC has a slight edge over either, but it would have been an interesting race with reasoned debates. But i would say i think Kasich would have beat HRC if anyone would have in that primary, except maybe Jebb if the whole thing wen't different.

before the whole thing because a circus dems were def worried about Rubio super early on though

they were preparing/attacking him super early

Ugh, I just got auto dialed by a trump advertisement.... twice in a row. Unplugged my damn phone.