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Quote (ferdia @ 30 Nov 2023 14:05)
What really annoys me is that no one is willing to give yes / no answers, or even a yes / no answer with a caveat. it is pathetic. I have repeatedly demonstrated i will give yes / no answers and all i get in response to my own questions is deflection.


When you don't get the answer it clearly means you had a point.

Israelis leaders (Likud & related far right & religious) are vastly reponsible of the october 7 horror which is the result of a "divide and maintain violence with asymetric retaliation" strategy over years.*
* In order to avoid, as main example, a two state solution. Not really in line with "Greater Israel" plans & shits.
Now we can add the effort to deport populations by destroying their homes (again)

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Quote (Meanwhile @ 30 Nov 2023 15:25)
When you don't get the answer it clearly means you had a point.

Israelis leaders (Likud & related far right & religious) are vastly reponsible of the october 7 horror which is the result of a "divide and maintain violence with asymetric retaliation" strategy over years.
Now we can add the effort to deport populations by destroying their homes (again)


Only Hamas is responsible for the violence
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Quote (Many_Names @ 30 Nov 2023 14:26)
Only Hamas is responsible for the violence


Sure people can come in your house, open the gas, leave.
Then later claim it was all your fault for switching the light on.

Something like that
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Quote (Meanwhile @ 30 Nov 2023 15:31)
Sure people can come in your house, open the gas, leave.
Then later claim it was all your fault for switching the light on.

Something like that


Jews are from Judea Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula
Upuntil 1917 there were mo countries in the region at all it was all ottoman empire.
My family been here since the 1800s
Its my house if you like it or not and nothing can justify killing civilians point blank, targeting them directly just like they done in Jerusalem this morning.

If you cant accept that you have nothing to search in this topic
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Quote (Many_Names @ 30 Nov 2023 14:34)
Jews are from Judea Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula
Upuntil 1917 there were mo countries in the region at all it was all ottoman empire.
My family been here since the 1800s
Its my house if you like it or not and nothing can justify killing civilians point blank, targeting them directly just like they done in Jerusalem this morning.

If you cant accept that you have nothing to search in this topic


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians
ethnonational group descending from peoples who have inhabited the region of Palestine over the millennia

Found.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ 30 Nov 2023 15:41)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians
ethnonational group descending from peoples who have inhabited the region of Palestine over the millennia

Found.


You can give any wiikipedia or author you want my family been here since the ottoman empire.
We saw the Arabs migrating for jobs.
My brother in law family is around 12 generations here.

You can mess with people who are unsure but not with me
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Quote (Many_Names @ 30 Nov 2023 14:44)
You can give any wiikipedia or author you want my family been here since the ottoman empire.
We saw the Arabs migrating for jobs.
My brother in law family is around 12 generations here.

You can mess with people who are unsure but not with me


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In 1800, the population of Palestine did not exceed 300 thousand, 5 thousand of which were Jews (mainly Sephardim). The majority of the Jewish population was still concentrated in four major cities. The main places of concentration of the Christian population (about 25 thousand) - in Jerusalem, Nazareth and Bethlehem - were controlled by the Orthodox and Catholic churches. The rest of the country's population were Muslims, almost all Sunnis.

In the 19th century, Jerusalem once again became the most important Jewish center in Eretz Israel. Safed, which competed with Jerusalem for spiritual primacy, suffered greatly as a result of the earthquake (1837), which took the lives of about 2 thousand Jews, and fell into decay.

In 1841, Palestine and Syria returned to direct Turkish control. By this time, the Jewish population of Palestine had doubled, while the Christian and Muslim population remained unchanged.

By 1880, the population of Palestine reached 450 thousand people, of which 24 thousand were Jews. Most of the country's Jews lived in four cities: Jerusalem (where Jews made up more than half of the total population of 25 thousand), Safed (4 thousand), Tiberias (2.5 thousand) and Hebron (800), as well as in Jaffa (1 thousand) and Haifa (300). Jerusalem became the largest city in the country.

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There is a resurgence of anti-Palestinianism because at this point in time israel has not yet learned how to be multicultural.
And I think Hamas is going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place.
israel is not going to be the monolithic society it once was in the last 60 years.
Hamas is going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for israel to make.
They are now going into a multicultural mode and Hamas will be resented because of their leading role.
But without that leading role and without that transformation, israel will not survive

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