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Oct 5 2021 05:58pm
Quote (excellence @ Oct 5 2021 04:50pm)
https://news.yahoo.com/washington-national-cathedral-mark-700k-111240822.html

US deaths from virus in 2021 surpass 2020 total; Johnson & Johnson seeks FDA clearance for booster shots: COVID update

More deaths under harris/biden admin in 9 months, this with having 3 vaccines than all of last year. Vaccines that, due to their rhetoric, a great deal of their constituents didn’t trust them on.

Good thing the admin “shut down the virus” as they promised, evidenced by the victory lap ‘mission accomplished’ spiel they put out earlier this year in May

https://i.ibb.co/bgZVgbz/14070552-E1-B0-435-D-879-B-90-B9-A66-C4-B60.jpg


This is why forced vaccination should have been done sometime during the summer. Biden acted far too slowly and enough conservatives have died that AOC might be President some day. If that happens, I'm leaving this country.
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Oct 5 2021 06:02pm
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This is why forced vaccination should have been done sometime during the summer. Biden acted far too slowly and enough conservatives have died that AOC might be President some day. If that happens, I'm leaving this country.

forced covid-19 vaccines in their current state are a tough sell. not enough outreach was done it seems. the availability is there, so that isn’t an excuse.

it’d have to go to the Supreme Court. they already have precedent with the free universal affordable healthcare act Supreme Court hearing. Roberts said the individual mandate is constitutional and Kavanaugh would provide the 5-4 by ruling that even if forced vaccinations under penalty of tattoos and one-way train trips is unconstitutional, it’s “going to expire soon” and it would ‘do more harm than good’ to do otherwise.

harris/biden admin was too busy declaring victory with the accelerated-delayed Afghanistan withdrawal over the summer
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Oct 5 2021 06:19pm
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forced covid-19 vaccines in their current state are a tough sell. not enough outreach was done it seems. the availability is there, so that isn’t an excuse.

it’d have to go to the Supreme Court. they already have precedent with the free universal affordable healthcare act Supreme Court hearing. Roberts said the individual mandate is constitutional and Kavanaugh would provide the 5-4 by ruling that even if forced vaccinations under penalty of tattoos and one-way train trips is unconstitutional, it’s “going to expire soon” and it would ‘do more harm than good’ to do otherwise.

harris/biden admin was too busy declaring victory with the accelerated-delayed Afghanistan withdrawal over the summer


LOL, if only we had the train infrastructure for one-way unconstitutional trips.
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Oct 5 2021 07:09pm
Quote (thundercock @ Oct 5 2021 04:58pm)
This is why forced vaccination should have been done sometime during the summer. Biden acted far too slowly and enough conservatives have died that AOC might be President some day. If that happens, I'm leaving this country.


you believe all the other shoveled shit why is AOC a problem

Groups Exempt from the Covid Vaccine Mandates will astound you
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AkhUm9hRzDiL/
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Oct 5 2021 07:20pm
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you believe all the other shoveled shit why is AOC a problem

Groups Exempt from the Covid Vaccine Mandates will astound you
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AkhUm9hRzDiL/


she can't count, for one :D
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Oct 5 2021 07:25pm
Quote (SanduLungu @ Oct 5 2021 06:20pm)
she can't count, for one :D


shes a leftie
MSNBC can’t do maths!
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Oct 5 2021 07:45pm
Quote (IceMage @ 6 Oct 2021 00:32)
Not sure where Dems end up as a group psychologically after they realize that using government to help Americans doesn't help much at the ballot box.


We can debate this if they really end up passing noteworthy legislation which helps a clear majority of Americans, not commit huge blunders on other policy areas in the meantime and still get punished at the ballot box.
Actually getting legislation passed, this legislation actually being good and not committing huge blunders on other fields which offset this win - all of those things look questionable right now if you ask me.


Quote (excellence @ 6 Oct 2021 01:50)
https://news.yahoo.com/washington-national-cathedral-mark-700k-111240822.html

US deaths from virus in 2021 surpass 2020 total; Johnson & Johnson seeks FDA clearance for booster shots: COVID update

More deaths under harris/biden admin in 9 months, this with having 3 vaccines than all of last year. Vaccines that, due to their rhetoric, a great deal of their constituents didn’t trust them on.

Good thing the admin “shut down the virus” as they promised, evidenced by the victory lap ‘mission accomplished’ spiel they put out earlier this year in May

https://i.ibb.co/bgZVgbz/14070552-E1-B0-435-D-879-B-90-B9-A66-C4-B60.jpg


To be fair, covid only hit the West in the spring of 2020 when it was already at the tail end of flu season, which helped minimize the death toll of the first wave. The winter wave of 2020 didn't take off until November and given the delay of around 4 weeks between infection and death, most of the deaths related to December infections weren't registered before the start of the new year.


Biden/Harris of course did flub the messaging surrounding vaccines, but the impact this had on minority vaccination rates in particular will only be felt in the coming months when the northern/coastal states get hit. The bulk of the summer-and-beyond death toll of covid in 2021 came from Southern states in which the antivaxxers tend to be hardcore Republicans who were never gonna listen to Biden anyway.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 5 2021 07:46pm
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Oct 5 2021 07:50pm
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We can debate this if they really end up passing noteworthy legislation which helps a clear majority of Americans, not commit huge blunders on other policy areas in the meantime and still get punished at the ballot box.
Actually getting legislation passed, this legislation actually being good and not committing huge blunders on other fields which offset this win - all of those things look questionable right now if you ask me.



What makes you think that the electorate will reward Democrats if they come up with sensible policy? It seems to me that fear of the other, wedge issues, etc. are more important than actual policy.
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Oct 5 2021 08:06pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 5 2021 06:45pm)
We can debate this if they really end up passing noteworthy legislation which helps a clear majority of Americans, not commit huge blunders on other policy areas in the meantime and still get punished at the ballot box.
Actually getting legislation passed, this legislation actually being good and not committing huge blunders on other fields which offset this win - all of those things look questionable right now if you ask me.




To be fair, covid only hit the West in the spring of 2020 when it was already at the tail end of flu season, which helped minimize the death toll of the first wave. The winter wave of 2020 didn't take off until November and given the delay of around 4 weeks between infection and death, most of the deaths related to December infections weren't registered before the start of the new year.


Biden/Harris of course did flub the messaging surrounding vaccines, but the impact this had on minority vaccination rates in particular will only be felt in the coming months when the northern/coastal states get hit. The bulk of the summer-and-beyond death toll of covid in 2021 came from Southern states in which the antivaxxers tend to be hardcore Republicans who were never gonna listen to Biden anyway.


Quote (thundercock @ Oct 5 2021 06:50pm)
What makes you think that the electorate will reward Democrats if they come up with sensible policy? It seems to me that fear of the other, wedge issues, etc. are more important than actual policy.


lefties married to their face diapers. the mark of servitude. the only real question is who owns them?
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Oct 5 2021 08:15pm
Quote (thundercock @ 6 Oct 2021 03:50)
What makes you think that the electorate will reward Democrats if they come up with sensible policy? It seems to me that fear of the other, wedge issues, etc. are more important than actual policy.


Democrats have quite a lot of popular policies on their agenda, in particular stuff from the playbook of classical, euro-style social democracy. Stuff like child tax credits, regulations on prescription drug prices, giving people more paid days off, raising taxes on large corporations and billionaires etc. On most other fields, their platform is 'super-aids which gives you cancer' though. If they focused on the popular policies and deemphasized the toxic stuff, they would have an electoral winner on their hands if you ask me.

It seems as if exactly this approach was Biden's electoral calculus for 2022 and beyond: do popular stuff to avoid the usual midterm backlash. But his party just can't help itself. Pharma shills like Sinema hold up the prescription drug regulation, House progressive stop the bipartisan roads-and-bridges bill to ram through their outrageously pricey slush fund for liberal priorities, Biden needlessly fucks up foreign policy, the border and his part in the vaccine rollout, Harris is a liability for whichever task she's assigned to, Dem governors like Newsom, Cuomo or Whitmer are gigantic hypocrites, and so on and forth.




Side note: It is, of course, not a coincidence that the party with more left-wing economic policies is saddled with a socio-political agenda which is a complete and total non-starter for wide swaths of the country. The donor class are making sure of that; them and the mainstream media also work hard to keep political conflict focused on non-economic culture wars issues which don't affect their bottom line and on which the electorate is almost perfectly split.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 5 2021 08:22pm
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