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Mar 11 2020 06:58am
Quote (Mangix @ 11 Mar 2020 13:40)
Altanta waffle house employee tested positive. Divine retribution for them giving me food poisoning in 2014.


Reading this there's several videos around of sick people leeching a door handle or spitting in their hands then touching all elevator's buttons.
Totally insane but I'm seriously considering this is also rooted in a very, very, old instinctive behavior.

@Zarkadon: you missed the part where the guy was shitting on himself while trying to use his special magic powers to "isolate" all the 65+ years people.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Mar 11 2020 07:05am
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Quote (Ghot @ Mar 7 2020 04:37pm)
I'm arguing the claim by Saucy in post #443... and other similar sentiments by Saucy in this thread. I am disagreeing with Saucy's point that the virus will spread faster in the US.


Then you should be looking at cases/population, not deaths/population.

But, equally as importantly:

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 7 2020 10:49am)
My comparison is for comparing medical systems. Aka free and not free. The medical systems have nothing to do with "contracting" the disease.


Quote (Ghot @ Mar 7 2020 04:37pm)
I am disagreeing with Saucy's point that the virus will spread faster in the US.


You should probably start by picking a stance.

Here are your 3 claims in these brief quotes:
1) My comparison is for comparing medical systems
2) The medical systems have nothing to do with contracting the disease
3) I am making a claim about the relative rates of infection

Those 3 statements in conjunction are logically contradictory.

Either:
1) You are making a comparison about medical systems and looking at the relative rates of infection (which, you aren't doing, but for the sake of argument) because the rate of infection is correlated to the medical system's performance (despite your explicit statement that it is not)
2) You are making a comparison about the medical systems, because the medical systems don't have anything to do with contracting the disease, you are looking at the death rate (which I have previously explained to you is not what your numbers signify, and you agreed)
3) You AREN'T making a comparison about the medical systems, because you're looking at the relative rates of infection and medical systems have nothing to do with contracting the disease (which, I believe, you've expressly stated you're NOT doing)
4) You've abandoned your original argument and are moving the goalposts (either accidentally, because you've forgotten your original stance, or intentionally because you weren't quite sure what it was you stood for at the beginning of the argument and have been deciding as you've been arguing)

I think what you're trying to do is look at the death rates for each country. Which is what I previously explained: deaths per capita don't mean anything in this context because the rate of infection between the two nations is not congruent. Yes, you're correct: it IS a statistic. So is COVID-19 deaths per annual pound of beef consumed. Those both have roughly the same usefulness in this discussion.

In order to continue, please consider the following:
1) What is your argument, precisely? Boil it down into a concise thesis statement.
2) What statistics actually support a comparison across the situations I'm trying to compare? Think about looking at two situations that are analogous, and then investigating what the numbers say. It's a little bit harder, and you might not like the results you find, but at least you'll be making a genuine argument, and we all might learn something.
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Quote (zarkadon @ 11 Mar 2020 13:50)
Making sarcastic comments and calling my arguements philosophically stupid aren't "major points". Yes, I make assumptions and have opinions, this is a political forum after all.


there's a difference between making reasonable assumptions based on how facts present themselves, and making completely baseless assumptions, directly contradicting virtually every single expert on this issue. it's not 'illegal' to do the former, but it is just objectively stupid. and again, i'm not saying that to insult you, i've stated several times that this is rather unlike your ususal posts here, i am truly scratching my head where this blind spot is coming from...
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Mar 11 2020 10:48am
Phase 3 for France maybe tomorrow, who declares pandemics, c19 requires 30 times more hospitalizations than flu.
Prepare to be infected.
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Quote (Testiclese @ Mar 11 2020 10:29am)
Then you should be looking at cases/population, not deaths/population.

But, equally as importantly:





You should probably start by picking a stance.

Here are your 3 claims in these brief quotes:
1) My comparison is for comparing medical systems
2) The medical systems have nothing to do with contracting the disease
3) I am making a claim about the relative rates of infection

Those 3 statements in conjunction are logically contradictory.

Either:
1) You are making a comparison about medical systems and looking at the relative rates of infection (which, you aren't doing, but for the sake of argument) because the rate of infection is correlated to the medical system's performance (despite your explicit statement that it is not)
2) You are making a comparison about the medical systems, because the medical systems don't have anything to do with contracting the disease, you are looking at the death rate (which I have previously explained to you is not what your numbers signify, and you agreed)
3) You AREN'T making a comparison about the medical systems, because you're looking at the relative rates of infection and medical systems have nothing to do with contracting the disease (which, I believe, you've expressly stated you're NOT doing)
4) You've abandoned your original argument and are moving the goalposts (either accidentally, because you've forgotten your original stance, or intentionally because you weren't quite sure what it was you stood for at the beginning of the argument and have been deciding as you've been arguing)

I think what you're trying to do is look at the death rates for each country. Which is what I previously explained: deaths per capita don't mean anything in this context because the rate of infection between the two nations is not congruent. Yes, you're correct: it IS a statistic. So is COVID-19 deaths per annual pound of beef consumed. Those both have roughly the same usefulness in this discussion.

In order to continue, please consider the following:
1) What is your argument, precisely? Boil it down into a concise thesis statement.
2) What statistics actually support a comparison across the situations I'm trying to compare? Think about looking at two situations that are analogous, and then investigating what the numbers say. It's a little bit harder, and you might not like the results you find, but at least you'll be making a genuine argument, and we all might learn something.




Well, sometimes that happens when I'm debating ALL of the peanut gallery.




/e In answer to your questions/suggestions...



Quote (Ghot @ Mar 7 2020 02:26pm)
I worked out the math this morning...

CV deaths in France and the US.
France (percentage wise) has had an "order of magnitude" more deaths than the US.



The math would be...

17/350mill for the US, and 11/67mill for France.


CV death percentage in the US... 4.857142857142857e-8
CV death percentage in France... 1.641791044776119e-7



Must be all that free French healthcare. :/




This post was edited by Ghot on Mar 11 2020 10:54am
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Mar 11 2020 10:55am
Italy healthcare to collapse!
If you are in your 60' stay at home, don't touch anything, do not shitpost 9gag memes, it attracts bad karma.
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Mar 11 2020 11:00am
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-classify-coronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.


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Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”



Donald Trump real upset that this is happening in an election year.
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Mar 11 2020 11:08am
Quote (Helloween7 @ Mar 11 2020 01:00pm)



After 3 solid years of never ending leaks, I would make everything classified.
Coronavirus response by the US govt. will not be hampered at all by making these discussions classified.

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Quote (Ghot @ 11 Mar 2020 18:08)
After 3 solid years of never ending leaks, I would make everything classified.
Coronavirus response by the US govt. will not be hampered at all by making these discussions classified.


We must save financial markets at any cost.

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