Quote (Brian_D @ Jan 31 2020 07:28pm)

Dude you sound brainwashed.

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 31 2020 05:35pm)

I try to step back from it when moments like this happen. Pretend the election went the other way:

Hillary pressured a vulnerable ally to investigate her likely political opponent in 2020, and she did so by withholding aid and a White House meeting. She used her personal lawyer to do it, along with various government officials. She talked to the president of the country and the rough transcript clearly shows how she associated the giving of aid with investigations into her opponent, and a batshit crazy conspiracy theory. She's denied it completely, and claimed the call was perfect. Her former National Security Adviser later leaks that Hillary clearly associated the withholding of the aid with investigations.

And the Democrat controlled senate won't even call the former NSA to testify.

It's incomprehensible.

A sidenote:


I'm still kind of amazed how mainstream pundits have not internalized the way the Trump cult operates. They keep reacting to every bombshell story as if new facts will change the reality that the Republican party is the cult of Donald Trump.

Quote (krackprophet @ Jan 31 2020 07:21pm)

The argument would be the same. The house didn't feel the need to take an appropriate amount of time to investigate the allegations. The evidence presented before sending it to the senate was not strong. All of congress would still be partisan hacks.

Would just be different people saying she's innocent.

Quote (krackprophet @ Jan 31 2020 08:21pm)

The argument would be the same. The house didn't feel the need to take an appropriate amount of time to investigate the allegations. The evidence presented before sending it to the senate was not strong. All of congress would still be partisan hacks.

Would just be different people saying she's innocent.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 31 2020 08:22pm)

There's not really a reason to wait until every piece of evidence is out before sending it to the senate. That is assuming the senate would act in good faith, which it isn't.

Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 31 2020 08:33pm)

The House should be certain that an impeachable offense has been committed. Congress has never removed a president from office, and it's not because they've all been saints.

Murkowski's statement is clear. No one disputes the underlying facts. There's nothing to be gained from listening to Bolton's testimony beyond scrounging for damaging soundbites to be used in the election. Trump's actions, while perhaps regrettable, do not rise to a level that would justify overturning the 2016 election.

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 31 2020 08:28pm)

This just isn't true. The "both sides" argument has fallen apart the last few years. Democrats aren't capable of being this shameless and detached from reality. And they don't have a bunch of willing pundits in the media who are capable of completely compromising themselves. If you think Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, or others on MSNBC would act like Fox has in this situation, you're delusional.

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 31 2020 08:37pm)

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rip kobe

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 31 2020 07:28pm)

Democrats aren't capable of being this shameless and detached from reality. And they don't have a bunch of willing pundits in the media who are capable of completely compromising themselves.

Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 31 2020 07:33pm)

The House should be certain that an impeachable offense has been committed. Congress has never removed a president from office, and it's not because they've all been saints.

Murkowski's statement is clear. No one disputes the underlying facts. There's nothing to be gained from listening to Bolton's testimony beyond scrounging for damaging soundbites to be used in the election. Trump's actions, while perhaps regrettable, do not rise to a level that would justify overturning the 2016 election.