Mom's side were miners from East KY/ W. VA. Father's side were Irish railroad people who mostly ended up in Cleveland.

I'm the first college grad in my family that I know of.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 29 2014 06:29pm

just because they want it forever doesnt mean they expect it to last longer than a term. my point is he knows its temporary. It got that alcohol prohibition feel all over it.

the average citizens voted him back in after he got recalled. id say the public has spoken, or theyre too lazy to hit the fucking voting booths. either way theres more people who agree or dont think he deserved to get voted out to keep him right where he wants to be.

i dont support the guys whole platform but i agree on holding back a massive unions collective bargaining rights as a way to freeze the budget. its not just teachers, corrections workers also need a check, they have a massive union so walker wont touch them, because walking away from prisoners is worse than students

skinned irl

In a year I am about to be the first on my dad's side, and well "technically" the first real on my mom's side if you want to count my 1 aunt who went to school for free, and has done NOTHING with the degree (some computer degree) & my aunt's daughter, my cousin, who just graduated last year with a psychology degree (paid for of course) & now works some retail job. I have paid for all my school except for these few semester were i may get like 2,000$ or so in grants at MOST. Going to be a math teacher. OH THE FUN THAT AWAITS!

Congrats on your success m8!

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 30 2014 05:59pm

Who are you trying to fool?

Low pay is a disincentive to hard work. The same is true about job security, and you definitely don't try hard when you're poorly paid and difficult to fire.

Stop with the strawmen and ad hominem, you don't have a right to a public sector job, and you don't have a right to extort the public for cash.

No one is making the argument that all public sector employees are crap, but you're relying on charity to bring in talent and filling in the rest with underachievers. We ought to keep the charitable and pay for quality.

Why do you think all public employees are underachievers? It seems like you are just parroting a bad talking point from somewhere.

Not all. Almost all.

I explicitly said that I don't think that.

Underachievers hide in public employment because it offers stable (low) pay and good benefits. They're fine with the low pay and they like that they can't get fired. Unfortunately they recognize that they aren't paid much, and don't have much of a natural inclination to work hard.

There are plenty of incredibly patriotic people in public employment and only anarchists like datajunky want to get rid of them (I've advocated within this thread to give them a raise), but it makes no sense to admit the former and then say that the presence of slackers is somehow acceptable. We can have the one and not excuse the other, they do not have to coexist.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Dec 30 2014 11:11pm

you realize unnecessary middlemen who offer no value to the business live a rather comfortable life in all large corporations?

slackers exist in both public and private

This post was edited by duffman316 on Dec 30 2014 11:23pm