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You can't prevent people from returning to their homes over a fear that they may possibly if things go 100% wrong give a cold to somebody.
Calling it a cold is just hilarious, stop spreading misinformation. And I never said anything about preventing people from returning to their homes, nor did I imply it.
No additional checks were put in place for the people (citizens and non citizens alike) coming and going from other nations that were being hit by the coronavirus, he went after foreign nationals coming out of china and let everyone else come and go as they please with any extra precautions in place.
It wasn't until much later that he actually shut down the borders, and by that time it was actually too late.
And quite a few US citizens were trapped outside of the country in the early days and were literally being prevented from returning home because the state department was dragging their heels while trumo was downplaying things.
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10,000 of the 200,000 covid deaths were caused by covid, and nearly all of those were in patients aged 65+. The rest had an average of what, 2.8 comorbidity factors each?
All of the deaths were caused by covid, again stop spreading misinformation.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/ Here, educate yourself on what the CDC study actually meant instead of parroting propaganda.
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Is your suggestion that American Citizens should have been placed in an internment camp because they traveled, when the realistic health risk was minimal?
Repeating the same strawman, and spreading more misinformation. /gasp
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2.8 million people die per year on average in the US. We have yet to see death counts for 2020. My guess is still that it won't end up notably greater than the average. Not even the 200k being blamed on Covid. And that's even given wildfires, riots, etc.
Irrelevant.
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A lot of this is overblown, and the idea that you're going to intern American Citizens, or even worse, prevent them from returning to the nation, over a cold? Preposterous.
Funny how actual health officials say otherwise. So tell me about your credentials since you act as if you know more than they do. And again with the strawman and the misinformation...
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The response WAS shit, by folks like Cuomo who sent covid-positive patients back to nursing homes, where the majority of the deaths promptly occurred. There were intermediary hospitals built specifically to control Covid, which the federal response helped fund, that went completely unused. They were well-equipped to house covid-positive elderly patients either until they survived... Or not. Without risking the remaining elderly population of the homes.
Thor pretty much covered that already. Where were they going to send them? the actual hospitals at the time were swamped, those "hospitals built specifically for covid" didn't come until the next month. The USNS Comfort and the USNS Mercy went largely unused due to military protocols and bureaucratic hurdles, not for a lack of trying.
He was also following CDC guidelines at the time, which were being hamstrung by the administration.
Given trumps admission of how serious it was on tape after previously lying about it , then eventually admitting it outright at a press conference, it's amusing that you're going to sit here and attack Cuomo who was just following trump's lead at the time.
Though it's awfully amusing that you're sitting here downplaying the virus while simultaneously attacking the governor over his response to it.
So which one of you is lying? you're spreading misinformation and downplaying it, while trump is on tape admitting the severity of it.
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Hotels and other methods might also have been a possibility. There were many botches. But preventing American Citizens from returning home, or worse, interning them, when they've done absolutely nothing wrong, is completely the opposite of liberty, and given no crime committed and no probable cause, and no extremely deadly virulent strain (such as ebola), is 100% unconstitutional.
Oh, I've seen this episode. By the way, quarantines aren't unconstitutional. Until the courts say otherwise.
https://thebulwark.com/quarantine-and-the-constitution/ -
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html here, some more reading material, you seem to need it.
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Even in ebola-style cases, there's a huge requirement that anyone detained basically be given the equivalent of 4 star treatment, plus complete medical care during their quarantine. The moment the word "involuntary" enters the equation without a crime having been committed, you're almost immediately treading on unconstitutional grounds. :)
See above.
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Also note that even the current "good" tests throw out a lot of false positives. 20% of all common cold strains are coronaviruses. A lot of those who "test positive" for Covid-19 (dead or alive) don't have it. The test is absolutely not foolproof, and throws positives for other, virtually harmless strains. That means that not only may many who "have or had it" and live not actually have had it, but the same with many of those who "had it" when they died, and are marked now as covid deaths, regardless of whether it was the actual cause.
More misinformation. Shocking.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-viral-antibody-test-c/fact-checkposts-confuse-covid-19-viral-test-with-covid-19-antibody-test-idUSKBN24269Z - funny how you misrepresented what the CDC actually said twice now. Don't know why I bothered though, I already know you'll disregard everything said here and double down.
This post was edited by Arsenic_Touch on Sep 14 2020 03:54am
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