Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Sep 13 2020 12:54pm)
If by shutting down borders you mean he barred foreign nationals from entering while allowing everyone else to come and go as they please with no additional screenings or quarantines put in place? sure.
You can't prevent people from returning to their homes over a fear that they may possibly if things go 100% wrong give a cold to somebody.
10,000 of the 200,000 covid deaths were caused by covid, and nearly all of those were in patients aged 65+. The rest had an average of what, 2.8 comorbidity factors each?
Is your suggestion that American Citizens should have been placed in an internment camp because they traveled, when the realistic health risk was minimal?
2.8 million people die per year on average in the US. We have yet to see death counts for 2020. My guess is still that it won't end up notably greater than the average. Not even the 200k being blamed on Covid. And that's even given wildfires, riots, etc.
A lot of this is overblown, and the idea that you're going to intern American Citizens, or even worse, prevent them from returning to the nation, over a cold? Preposterous.
The response WAS shit, by folks like Cuomo who sent covid-positive patients back to nursing homes, where the majority of the deaths promptly occurred. There were intermediary hospitals built specifically to control Covid, which the federal response helped fund, that went completely unused. They were well-equipped to house covid-positive elderly patients either until they survived... Or not. Without risking the remaining elderly population of the homes.
Hotels and other methods might also have been a possibility. There were many botches. But preventing American Citizens from returning home, or worse, interning them, when they've done absolutely nothing wrong, is completely the opposite of liberty, and given no crime committed and no probable cause, and no extremely deadly virulent strain (such as ebola), is 100% unconstitutional.
Even in ebola-style cases, there's a huge requirement that anyone detained basically be given the equivalent of 4 star treatment, plus complete medical care during their quarantine. The moment the word "involuntary" enters the equation without a crime having been committed, you're almost immediately treading on unconstitutional grounds.
Also note that even the current "good" tests throw out a lot of false positives. 20% of all common cold strains are coronaviruses. A lot of those who "test positive" for Covid-19 (dead or alive) don't have it. The test is absolutely not foolproof, and throws positives for other, virtually harmless strains. That means that not only may many who "have or had it" and live not actually have had it, but the same with many of those who "had it" when they died, and are marked now as covid deaths, regardless of whether it was the actual cause.
This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Sep 14 2020 12:54am
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