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Nov 29 2023 06:30am
Quote (ferdia @ Nov 29 2023 07:55am)
the purpose is to destroy hamas, so after this, there seriously should be no hamas. Israel should control gaza and rule over it. anything else will just see this happening all over again.


Lol what

The purpose is to destroy hamas? What does that mean exactly? Do they need to kill every member of the hamas government or just the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades?
What about the police? Should they be killed as well? Luckily they won't be needed anymore if Israel will be ruling over them so that works out.

Israel "controlled" Gaza before, how did that go? Do you honestly think this is being done in good faith? How many people do you think need to be killed in order to avoid this "happening all over again"?
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Nov 29 2023 06:38am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Nov 29 2023 02:30pm)
Lol what

The purpose is to destroy hamas? What does that mean exactly? Do they need to kill every member of the hamas government or just the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades?
What about the police? Should they be killed as well? Luckily they won't be needed anymore if Israel will be ruling over them so that works out.

Israel "controlled" Gaza before, how did that go? Do you honestly think this is being done in good faith? How many people do you think need to be killed in order to avoid this "happening all over again"?


Destroy Hamas means to eliminate his operations both civil (governmental) and military capabilities.
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Nov 29 2023 07:02am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Nov 29 2023 12:30pm)
Lol what

The purpose is to destroy hamas? What does that mean exactly? Do they need to kill every member of the hamas government or just the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades?
What about the police? Should they be killed as well? Luckily they won't be needed anymore if Israel will be ruling over them so that works out.

Israel "controlled" Gaza before, how did that go? Do you honestly think this is being done in good faith? How many people do you think need to be killed in order to avoid this "happening all over again"?


If Israel does not put a robust plan in place to prevent further groups (or Hamas) from repeating Oct 7, from the area known as Gaza, then there is no point to what they are currently doing. Other then revenge of course.

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Nov 29 2023 07:04am
Quote (gnarjay @ Nov 28 2023 03:30pm)
IIRC, I was talking about air burst/above-ground detonation with respect to that bomb, it also seemed to come from an entirely different position than all the other rockets. I still dont know who is responsible but Im happy to be wrong



I have admitted it before and just left open the possibility that I could be wrong, again. the problem here is so many right-wingers spout propaganda and then do an about-face when called out
how many of your ilk have admitted the baby beheading was bullshit after literally EVERYONE jumped on that day one? no one

"Israel doesnt bomb hospitals or schools"
"Israel only bombs Hamas members so there was probably a Hamas member there"
"well Israel THOUGHT there was Hamas there so its okay...shit happens in war!"

goalpost after goalpost is being moved in defense of war crimes, its actually fucking insane how far some of you will go


I literally did it in the last post lol, and goom was calling out that it may not be accurate the day it happened. you're lost.
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Nov 29 2023 07:20am
Quote (cambovenzi @ 29 Nov 2023 13:43)
you know you aren't being honest. Pretending its good and just to murder children because they deserve it based on a vote from 17 years ago where hamas didnt even have a majority and 'hamas is immune. roll over and die' are far from the only two options


What are the other options?
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Nov 29 2023 07:26am
Quote (ferdia @ 29 Nov 2023 15:02)
If Israel does not put a robust plan in place to prevent further groups (or Hamas) from repeating Oct 7, from the area known as Gaza, then there is no point to what they are currently doing. Other then revenge of course.


But then again controlling population that hates you to its core.
Been indoctrinated to kill you in the name if allah

I think its Egypts or maybe Jordan should take them under their wing and help them
Not Qatar, not Iran, Not Syria.

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Nov 29 2023 08:17am
Quote (ferdia @ Nov 29 2023 09:02am)
If Israel does not put a robust plan in place to prevent further groups (or Hamas) from repeating Oct 7, from the area known as Gaza, then there is no point to what they are currently doing. Other then revenge of course.

They have been putting robust plans in place for decades and that resulted in oct 7th, you think they have a good one this time though?

The point of what they are doing is to displace/kill the people of Gaza and demolish their homes/businesses/utilities

What do you think happens to the people who return to their bombed out neighborhoods? What about the people who shovel their relatives out from under a collapsed building? Will they realize the error of their ways and accept Israeli rule?

Israeli government doesn't give a shit about "revenge" they want to deal with the palestinian problem and allowing the Oct 7th attack to happen was a means of justifying it. Were it simply "revenge" it wouldn't be nearly as evil as what they are attempting.
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Nov 29 2023 08:20am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Nov 29 2023 02:17pm)
They have been putting robust plans in place for decades and that resulted in oct 7th, you think they have a good one this time though?

The point of what they are doing is to displace/kill the people of Gaza and demolish their homes/businesses/utilities

What do you think happens to the people who return to their bombed out neighborhoods? What about the people who shovel their relatives out from under a collapsed building? Will they realize the error of their ways and accept Israeli rule?

Israeli government doesn't give a shit about "revenge" they want to deal with the palestinian problem and allowing the Oct 7th attack to happen was a means of justifying it. Were it simply "revenge" it wouldn't be nearly as evil as what they are attempting.


nah there is enough in there to suggest that they just dropped the ball (again). stupidity and arrogance, not malice, led to this lapse in preventing Oct 7th. It looks pretty clear to me anyway. no idea what Israeli's long term plan for Gaza is tbh but they have repeatedly said this is going to take a while (months and months).

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 29 2023 01:26pm)
But then again controlling population that hates you to its core.
Been indoctrinated to kill you in the name if allah

I think its Egypts or maybe Jordan should take them under their wing and help them
Not Qatar, not Iran, Not Syria.


99% Egypt and Jordan will not take them in. They are a threat for those countries, they wont do it. The Arab states have been clear that this is Israels mess, and Israel has to find its own solution, whatever that is. I will go read a bit more about both countries and their current position.

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Nov 29 2023 08:24am
The question is also what is the Palestinian long term plan for Gaza?
Harbour terrorist groups? Take literally billions of dollars and use it to attack Israel?
Because that's what they've done for basically decades.

If they have no sustainable plan for themselves why is it up to Israel to come up with a solution that is acceptable to them?

Many would argue it is not.
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Quote (ferdia @ 29 Nov 2023 16:20)
nah there is enough in there to suggest that they just dropped the ball (again). stupidity and arrogance, not malice, led to this lapse in preventing Oct 7th. It looks pretty clear to me anyway. no idea what Israeli's long term plan for Gaza is tbh but they have repeatedly said this is going to take a while (months and months).



99% Egypt and Jordan will not take them in. They are a threat for those countries, they wont do it. The Arab states have been clear that this is Israels mess, and Israel has to find its own solution, whatever that is. I will go read a bit more about both countries and their current position.


For enough money Egypt will so it
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