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Quote (Thor123422 @ 6 Sep 2020 00:53)
I'm researching some history things, like the things that lead to the current borders of Europe, and some of that goes all the way back to Rome.

One thing I found that was interesting is that the grain dole was a hugely successful program that brought long-term stability to Rome, and it only failed at the end because basically the whole empire was collapsing around them. It's a pretty stark contrast to what I've heard from conservatives about how "the grain dole ruined the Roman empire by breeding welfare queens!" and then you find out the grain dole lasted longer than the entire history of the United States.


Rome is a complex example because their empire heavily relied on slavery and exploitation of colonized or conquered countries. The periphery of the Roman empire was squeezed so that the core could be stabilized and prosper. But yes, as long as they could afford the grain doles, they were an efficient instrument for securing inner peace.

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I'm researching some history things, like the things that lead to the current borders of Europe, and some of that goes all the way back to Rome.

One thing I found that was interesting is that the grain dole was a hugely successful program that brought long-term stability to Rome and was basically the biggest social welfare program in history until the modern welfare state, and it only failed at the end because basically the whole empire was collapsing around them. It's a pretty stark contrast to what I've heard from conservatives about how "the grain dole ruined the Roman empire by breeding welfare queens!" and then you find out the grain dole lasted longer than the entire history of the United States.

Anyway the take away is that it's virtually guaranteed that you will need a welfare system to maintain the stability of your country for the long-term, and this has been the case for like 2000 years now.



The late roman empire became a mess. People would become slaves so that they could avoid paying taxes. Your assessment is more or less correct though.
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Sep 7 2020 09:50am
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-doctor-went-to-his-own-employer-for-a-covid-19-antibody-test-it-cost-10-984

A Doctor Went to His Own Employer for a COVID-19 Antibody Test. It Cost $10,984.
Physicians Premier ER charged Dr. Zachary Sussman’s insurance $10,984 for his COVID-19 antibody test even though Sussman worked for the chain and knows the testing materials only cost about $8. Even more surprising: The insurer paid in full.

Amazing mess.
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Sep 7 2020 11:34am
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500000-covid19-math-mistake-panic/

FAKE PLANNEDEMIC

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In February, US Covid guru Anthony Fauci predicted the virus was ‘akin to a severe flu’ and would therefore kill around 0.1 percent of people. Then fatality rate predictions were somehow mixed up to make it look ten times WORSE.
When you strip everything else out, the reason for lockdown comes from a single figure: one percent. This was the prediction that Covid, if left unchecked, would kill around one percent of us.

You may not think that percentage is enormous, but one percent of the population of the world is 70 million people – and that’s a lot. It would mean 3.2 million Americans dead, and 670,000 Britons.

But where did this one percent figure come from? You may find this hard to believe, but this figure emerged by mistake. A pretty major thing to make a mistake about, but that’s what happened.
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Sep 7 2020 12:30pm
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With an IFR of 0.1%, the U.S. would end up with 320k deaths after a full spread through 100% of the population, or 264k deaths if we assume 80% pervasion (70% for herd immunity, 10% overshoot).

You are almost at this death toll already, and will easily reach that number before everything is said and done - and that's without being anywhere near herd immunity. My point is that 0.1% is too low of an estimate for the IFR. Btw: the official CDC estimate is 0.65% [1]. An IFR of 0.65% with 80% pervasion would still yield 1.7 million deaths, an unacceptably high death toll. So the bottom line is that the fatality rate predictions might have been too high, but not by as much as your article claims, and not in a way that would have fundamentally shifted rational political decision making.

Oh yeah, and of course lol @RT XD



Also interesting is the following article, which examines how substantially the IFR varies between different countries, based on age structure and local factors (such as the quality of the healthcare system):
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v3





[1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html -> Table 1
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Covid got a boost
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Btw wtf is operation warpspeed ? generalizing a vaccine while it is only in its phase One of developpement ?



Maybe a win, maybe an horrible scam...
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Btw wtf is operation warpspeed ? generalizing a vaccine while it is only in its phase One of developpement ?

https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2020/05/Phase-1-trial-600.jpg

Maybe a win, maybe an horrible scam...


Yeah, it's just a fancy name for the reckless approach the Russians took with their vaccine:



The tldr is that Trump is desperate and thinks that coming up with a miracle cure for covid before election day is his best (and perhaps only) shot at reelection.

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Yeah, it's just a fancy name for the reckless approach the Russians took with their vaccine:
https://img.techpowerup.org/200908/54994fed5afbd3b5248b4567.jpg


The tldr is that Trump is desperate and thinks that coming up with a miracle cure for covid before election day is his best shot at reelection.


It could be a success with some lies, till the day of election. Finally even if it fails (like it ends up in killing people on large scale) it could still help to win the elections .... :lol: The only risk being:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/four-times-history-vaccines-failed-lessons-coronavirus-vaccine-166116

The damn truth IMO: being unofficially in phase 2 or 3 already with secret (and illegal) testings.
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