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Dec 13 2024 05:24am
Quote (babun1024 @ 13 Dec 2024 12:02)
It has got little to do with Russian gas. We had a disastrously stupid energy politic where we turned off ALL of our nuclear plants. Now, when the renewables aren't working (no wind or sun between dec. -feb.), we import energy from all of our neighbors hiking the price for everyone. It's all on Germany and the green party.
Our industry and that of our neighbors is making European industry not competitive with high wages and super high energy costs. Expects lots of job losses and rightwing shift before anything changes.


The guy, that I replied to, asked to bring back Russian gas.
I think it were Russians who convinced German green activists and politicians to shut down your nucl plants.
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Quote (Ironfister @ Dec 13 2024 11:26am)
Russia surprisingly stopped providing gas to Germany in 2021 and 2022 year, to force Germany to help Russia in Russian war effort.
So when you buy gas from Russia you became defacto Russian vassal state. Its a political deal, you promise to do whatever Russians ask, or they stop the gas for the winter like they already did in 2021 and 2022.
Not a good idea, and certainly not a sovereignity


What a load of crap. Trade was good for both Russia and Germany (which is why countries trade with another).

Not to mention the rest of the EU that also profited from a strong German manufacturing economy and because they received gas that Germany couldn't use that's how much gas they were receiving from Russia.

BTW this just in, carbon credit fraud. It's shit like this you should focus on (green agenda BS)

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Quote (Ironfister @ Dec 13 2024 12:24pm)
The guy, that I replied to, asked to bring back Russian gas.
I think it were Russians who convinced German green activists and politicians to shut down your nucl plants.


Nope, why would Russia be interested in less fossil energy export? :lol:
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Quote (Djunior @ Dec 13 2024 12:33pm)
What a load of crap. Trade was good for both Russia and Germany (which is why countries trade with another).

Not to mention the rest of the EU that also profited from a strong German manufacturing economy and because they received gas that Germany couldn't use that's how much gas they were receiving from Russia.

BTW this just in, carbon credit fraud. It's shit like this you should focus on (green agenda BS)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koWKZcHH7xI


2 billions are nothing, we are talking about trillions lost in corruptions and misdirected green energy reforms. I am talking about forcing electric car manufacturing, wind and solar energy everywhere, turning off nuclear power plants with no idea how to secure base minimum energy during lows or a way to conserve the energy chemically or in batteries.

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Quote (babun1024 @ 13 Dec 2024 13:24)
Nope, why would Russia be interested in less fossil energy export? :lol:


People in Russia are poor, its not Putin top priority to earn more €€.
His priority is to make his empire grow, by either conquest or corruption or propaganda or diplomacy.
We have already seen Russia stop delivieries in 2021 and 2022, only a total idiot would like to make trade deal with such an unreliable partner, who already exposed himself.
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People in Russia are poor, its not Putin top priority to earn more €€.
His priority is to make his empire grow, by either conquest or corruption or propaganda or diplomacy.
We have already seen Russia stop delivieries in 2021 and 2022, only a total idiot would like to make trade deal with such an unreliable partner, who already exposed himself.

I don't know what your agenda is but you are totally off. A side note, should German industry go down, Poles are going to suffer the most.

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2 billions are nothing, we are talking about trillions lost in corruptions and misdirected green energy reforms.


While this may seem little in the grand scheme it's part of the green delusion.

Here's another one that's actually insane, EU "green" power plants burning up American forests --> https://energyskeptic.com/2024/american-forests-are-burning-up-in-european-power-plants/
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Quote (babun1024 @ 13 Dec 2024 13:48)
I don't know what your agenda is but you are totally off. (..)


Nope, I'm totally right
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Quote (Ironfister @ Dec 13 2024 01:39pm)
People in Russia are poor, its not Putin top priority to earn more €€.
His priority is to make his empire grow, by either conquest or corruption or propaganda or diplomacy.
We have already seen Russia stop delivieries in 2021 and 2022, only a total idiot would like to make trade deal with such an unreliable partner, who already exposed himself.


Actually it's NATO / EU continuously expanding East for decades and into Ukraine that forced Russia to stop gas deliveries. It was a clear signal that Russia was taking EU and NATO's geo-political games serious.

But the EU / NATO pressed on and lost the lucrative trade relations that they had, now India and China are the ones that profit, this just in, December 12, 2024 --> https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/rosneft-reliance-agree-biggest-ever-india-russia-oil-supply-deal-sources-say-2024-12-12/

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NEW DELHI/MOSCOW, Dec 12 (Reuters) - Russia's state oil firm Rosneft has agreed to supply nearly 500,000 barrels per day (bpd) of crude to Indian private refiner Reliance in the biggest ever energy deal between the two countries, three sources familiar with the deal said.


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The 10-year agreement amounts to 0.5% of global supply and is worth roughly $13 billion a year at today's prices. It would further cement energy relations between India and Russia, which is under heavy Western sanctions over its invasion of Ukraine.
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Dec 13 2024 08:12am
Quote (Ironfister @ 13 Dec 2024 11:26)
Russia surprisingly stopped providing gas to Germany in 2021 and 2022 year, to force Germany to help Russia in Russian war effort.
So when you buy gas from Russia you became defacto Russian vassal state. Its a political deal, you promise to do whatever Russians ask, or they stop the gas for the winter like they already did in 2021 and 2022.
Not a good idea, and certainly not a sovereignity


You are spreading misinformation. Don’t do that.

Gazprom delivered all contracted gas to Germany in 2021-2022. Gas pipelines were stopped every year in July - August for maintenance for decades.

Here is a shutdown notice from 2018:

https://www.nord-stream.com/media/news/press_releases/en/2018/07/annual-maintenance-shutdown-of-nord-stream-pipeline-scheduled-for-july_20180710.pdf

In 2022 Europeans REFUSED to deliver back the turbines required for pipeline to function normally and operator of the pipeline had to stop as it had no way of pumping gas through.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nord-stream-turbine-tension-puts-focus-gas-pipeline-parts-2022-09-02/

After Nord Stream was bombed and Polish PM Sikorski thanked Americans for that - Gazprom called force majeure.

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