Sure, for monetary loss. now prove that X advertiser left explicitly or even partially because Y person impersonated elon. and not because he's fired people en masse, not because he's publicly said the N word wont cause a suspension, not because he's signaled generally a free speech environment will be restored, not because he has a negative public persona to millions of people, not because he was taken to court to be forced into the buyout, etc.

any first year law student would get that tossed out pre-trial, its open shut.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 9 2022 08:32am

I am not a legal expert but my understanding is that people can definitely sue for intangible loss such as reputation.

See here: https://www.forthepeople.com/labor-and-employment-lawyers/can-i-sue-for-reputation-damage/

"To be successful in a defamation lawsuit, you must prove that you actually suffered harm as a result of the statement. Injury can include damage to your reputation, financial loss, and more."

And, "for public figures suing for reputational damages, the standard is much higher", which implies that it's possible to sue for loss of reputation.

Also, https://www.legalline.ca/legal-answers/defamation-libel-and-slander/

"If you are suing because your reputation was damaged due to a libelous statement, you do not have to prove that it caused you financial loss because the law presumes that you suffered a financial loss as a result of the loss of your reputation."

This post was edited by JessiWan on Nov 9 2022 08:58am

again, a straight line is needed between X person's reputation and/or monetary loss and Y person's actions. if 100+ people are roasting Elon on twitter he can't sue 1-2 people. he'd have to file a lawsuit against them all, and even then prove the external factors don't contribute a significant role to said loss of reputation and/or finances. which is of course not possible, the takeover has been too messy to discount all of that in his reputation or financial loss.

I suppose I should have clarified: Specifically as to the legal damage by impersonator accounts being asserted in this thread. And Snipa has already addressed the points to that regard.

I agree that it's hard to prove advertisers left explicitly because of that, however, aren't all defamation cases like this to a certain extent? For example, someone spread slanderous rumor about you, and your boss got wind of it and fired you. However, you can't directly prove that he fired you because of the slander, it could be because you did a poor job as an employee. My point is that just because it's hard to prove losses, it doesn't make a defamation case impossible.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Nov 9 2022 09:32am

Someone needs to make the Eric Andre meme where he shoots Hannibal Burress, Eric being Elon, and Hannibal being share price, and then Eric blames parody accounts

You're correct that defamation is a hard case, in fact many defamation cases with far more tangible links than this fail, even with most of the jury having a fairly good idea that the allegations may be true. its a very high burden of proof in many cases.

but take your example, its rumor VS performance. that's 2 factors. then look at my post, i listed 5 factors, and there are surely more contributing. and it's fault spread across hundreds of impersonators, not 1 boss vs 1 employee. add up those with the fact that elon himself is highly unlikely to even want to sue, and this whole "they need to be legally accountable" conversation is silly. ive been at it for pages now, going over a moot point exhaustively.

if factors change and a lawsuit is filed i'll return to it, as of now i'm not going to keep beating the dead horse.





This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 9 2022 09:38am

Share price isn't even relevant, since Twitter is a private company now.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/biden-calls-for-federal-investigation-of-elon-musk-over-relationships-with-other-countries/

beyond the pale, but the usual suspects here (icemage, thor, surfpunk, sioux, fender, sauceman, etc.) will defend this gross government overreach. meanwhile entities like amazon, goldman, and blackrock can do whatever they want