Nobody died when teachers went on strike AFAIK.

Scott Walker is a corporate stooge. He is the villain in every movie about a frat house

I don't know why teachers shouldn't have equal rights like other workers. I don't know why people hate teachers so much either, they get a lot of wrath from the right though.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 29 2014 05:54pm

Unions represent everything that is wrong with the public sector. It pushes unambitious sloths into a life of public service and sends qualified applicants running for the private sector.

Higher pay has to be accompanied by a vast reform of entitlements and an end to public sector unions.

Cushy jobs for the dregs of society should not be what the public sector is about.

This is an outright lie diametrically opposed to what I have stated and advocated.
Yes I am correct and justified in calling out your shit like that as a lie.

You have failed to rebut my points and instead fall back on complete fabrications, lies, insults and sophism.
This has been a recurring toxic theme in every interaction I have had with you.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 29 2014 06:01pm

Sounds like the banking and financial districts....rewarding people with lavish bonuses for brutal incompetence.

so children missing out on up to 1 month of education is not a problem because they didnt die?

i know kids in highschool who sat in classrooms for 3 weeks with not a single piece of learning.

all because a state that was massively in debt needed a change in the budget.

id love to sit down with scott walker and get his honest answer of what he thinks will happen to the bargaining legislation he put in during the inevitable democrat governor's reign when he leaves office.

my guess is he would say it served its purpose not that its a loss in his overall "war on unions"

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 29 2014 05:57pm

So insulting public employees and pretending that they're incompetent will justify stripping them of first amendment rights? That's basically what your elementary school level argument is right?

Well it is a war he can't win Much greater men have tried...Carnegie, Frick, men with actual merit, and failed. Really, the cat is out of the bag, and workers all over the earth know they don't have to shut up and be alone anymore.

And to any worker, there is no difference between public and private sector. Different pocket on the same pair of pants. Either they are negotiating with the owning class, or the government that serves the owning class.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 29 2014 06:02pm

your view on the entire situation is skewed (IMO) by the medias coverage of the issue

have you considered that the entire situation is less of a union battle and in actuallity a temporary, not permenant, attempt to reduce the state's defecit? because teachers sure didnt seem to consider that.

i never heard someone say "o well years from now well have the rights back, the state will be better economically, and the loss will be rather minimal overall to me personally"

my girlfriend is a teacher, i have 5 uncles/aunts that are teachers, and 2 grandmothers that taught. and when they consider the move as a temporary fix to the budget problem they accept it, they are mad but they still do their job.

I don't have Cable News or gossip shows like Fox News so no Third Person Effect here. Scott Walker and his ilk's ideological war isn't temporary. They want to strip public sector employees civil rights and never give them back. Their war is ideological and they actually believe that they are right in the universal sense, and not in a time and place sense. Scott Walker and his ilk want the unions to not exist anymore, plain and simple. This has always been the case, ever since some workers were treated bad somewhere, got together and said "fuck this, lets do something about this", and hurt profit.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 29 2014 06:15pm

Maybe if he wants to balance the budget he should reconsider the hundreds of millions of dollars that subsidize privately owned development for the rich and elite like the $500,000,000 that subsidized the Brewer's baseball stadium in the 90s rather than revoking first amendment rights from average citizens without great wealth or political clout.



That would have been my grandfathers, mining coal in Pennsylvania. Real American heroes.

This post was edited by RiskOfFire on Dec 29 2014 06:19pm