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Nov 28 2023 07:48am
i have self moderated my above post noting the numbers dont stack up with other sources. by all accounts there are anywhere between 16000 and 22000 people in prison in israel at any given time(over the last 10 years). however there are numerous sources questioning Israels current policy of mass detention. i guess i need to read more about it to understand fully what I am reading.
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Nov 28 2023 07:50am
Quote (WhiteSouned @ Nov 28 2023 09:46am)
I fixed that one for you.

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Nov 28 2023 07:53am
Dizzy you will probably get fendered if you continue like that. i am not taking a side here, just giving you a view.
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Nov 28 2023 07:57am
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Dizzy you will probably get fendered if you continue like that. i am not taking a side here, just giving you a view.

But I'm right so I don't care :D
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Nov 28 2023 08:00am
Some interesting comment found in french news:
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Israel has discredited itself for decades with this blind and murderous operation. Is a democracy that bombs civilians who cannot flee, that carries out small-scale ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, that locks up opponents without trial... is it still a democracy? The problem is that it discredits the entire West which seeks to promote international and humanitarian law, particularly in Ukraine.
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Nov 28 2023 08:07am
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Gaza has been a prison for decades, and Israel is deeply involved in what happened here, including the Hamas attack, since Israel actively sponsored Hamas years ago over the LPO.


ask Egypt to open the border.
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Nov 28 2023 08:08am
Quote (ferdia @ 28 Nov 2023 15:33)
lets dial it back a bit.

is there any official account of this woman's trial, she stabbed someone ? what was the court ruling, and how, given israel sources explicitly stated that she suffered a minor injury, is she now a cripple? she is a mother of a 4 year old. does all this not strike you as odd? the other day you spoke of amazing conditions of prisoners in Israel, and that israeli's were angry that prisoners led a life of luxury. I am reading there are over 9000 prisoners in the last 3 months alone, and family members are not allowed to visit. Were prisons lying idle before then? how can conditions be good if there is a sudden influx of +9000? this is not logical. we have 4500 people in prison on any given day in our country, and we have no room for another 9000. By all accounts the womans injuries were neglected and I am getting the distinct impression that this was willful, noting this is not an isolated incident.

all of this (as i wave my hand around) is complete shit.


ofc I think there is a website that shows who did what let me see if I can find it.
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Nov 28 2023 08:12am
Quote (Many_Names @ 28 Nov 2023 15:07)
ask Egypt to open the border.


You want to deport 2.3 million people ?
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Nov 28 2023 08:17am
Since 1967, 1million Palestinians have been arrested. The Palestinian population is 5.5M. let that sink in. The United Nations quotes 1 in 5 Palestinians spends time in Israeli jails. The Guardian has quoted "Israel has arrested an additional 3,260 Palestinians, including 120 women and more than 200 children, since 7 October."
Palestinians that die in captivity, their bodies are not returned to their families. They are detained, in jail, forever. Releasing detainee's, prisoners, while arresting dozens more daily. Charging a mother or grandmother for being happy her crippled child has been returned to her.
Administrative Detention (indefinitely detaining people without trial (this can be decades!) is a punitive action and Israel has normalized it, which is contrary to international law) has sky rocketed since Oct 7th.
Israel is on the air waves stating that Palestinians are less then human, what hope therefore that Palestinians will be treated humanely in Jail / detention ? Palestinians that give interviews are fined.
The courts are military courts, trying children (i cant believe I am actually reading this all, holy moly). If a child is detained, is there any rights that they have above those of an adult, noting, they are in fact, a child ?

on an aside, israel is at war, so all these people arrested are basically prisoners of war. does israel have specific laws enshrined to enable its current policies / treatment of prisoners, and can I read about these laws anywhere?

happy to be refuted on any of that.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 28 2023 08:26am
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Nov 28 2023 08:27am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 28 Nov 2023 16:12)
You want to deport 2.3 million people ?


no you said its an open prison I said let egypt provide for them
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