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Sep 11 2021 09:48pm
Quote (thundercock @ 11 Sep 2021 20:40)
Biden hasn't unwritten the EO because it's no longer relevant due to the Trump Tax Cuts. Why is this so difficult to understand? If the mandate is zero, no enforcement mechanism is required.


Ah, so it took effect at the beginning of the year, but wasn't "real" until Congress passed it?

Aren't you the same person supporting vaccine mandates? Maybe you should slow down.
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Sep 11 2021 10:11pm
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Ah, so it took effect at the beginning of the year, but wasn't "real" until Congress passed it?

Aren't you the same person supporting vaccine mandates? Maybe you should slow down.


If congress passes a law that supercedes any executive order. Executive orders are orders on how to go about enforcing laws passed by congress. So if congress says something no longer exists, then your EO on how to enforce it becomes null.

Basic civics bro.
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Sep 11 2021 10:18pm
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If congress passes a law that supercedes any executive order. Executive orders are orders on how to go about enforcing laws passed by congress. So if congress says something no longer exists, then your EO on how to enforce it becomes null.

Basic civics bro.


"Executive orders are orders on how to go about enforcing laws passed by congress."

Ah, so let's go back to how the vaccine mandate is "Constitutional" when it usurps the direct power given to Congress to "regulate interstate commerce", and goes above and beyond to outright dictate to any employer with 100 plus employees that they must act as an enforcement arm of the executive branch or suffer massive fines.

Go on. I'm waiting. We're waiting. Especially given that 1.3 million nurses were laid off or furloughed in 2020, and we see upwards of 20% of the remainder fired if they don't get the vaccine, which they're actively REFUSING. What's up, dude? Is it about the health of the populace, or is it about authoritarianism? Is it about the technicality of an EO, or it's content?

As it turns out, Obama had an EO that removed the ability of ICE to catch and remove illegal aliens from the US. That was within his purview, and challenges failed. The method in which you ENFORCE the law is within Executive purview. What's up regarding the vaccine mandate?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Sep 11 2021 10:19pm
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Sep 11 2021 10:29pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 11 2021 11:18pm)
"Executive orders are orders on how to go about enforcing laws passed by congress."

Ah, so let's go back to how the vaccine mandate is "Constitutional" when it usurps the direct power given to Congress to "regulate interstate commerce", and goes above and beyond to outright dictate to any employer with 100 plus employees that they must act as an enforcement arm of the executive branch or suffer massive fines.

Go on. I'm waiting. We're waiting. Especially given that 1.3 million nurses were laid off or furloughed in 2020, and we see upwards of 20% of the remainder fired if they don't get the vaccine, which they're actively REFUSING. What's up, dude? Is it about the health of the populace, or is it about authoritarianism? Is it about the technicality of an EO, or it's content?

As it turns out, Obama had an EO that removed the ability of ICE to catch and remove illegal aliens from the US. That was within his purview, and challenges failed. The method in which you ENFORCE the law is within Executive purview. What's up regarding the vaccine mandate?


If you have an issue with this then take it to court and argue it's unconstitutional. If you don't like that congress makes such broad laws then argue that and get them to take their job seriously.
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Sep 11 2021 10:35pm
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If you have an issue with this then take it to court and argue it's unconstitutional. If you don't like that congress makes such broad laws then argue that and get them to take their job seriously.


Man, you can't even admit when you have no argument. You're a piece of work. What do you think about that Stairmaster? Way I understand it, landwhales are dying to covid left and right. Let me help you. :hug:

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Sep 11 2021 10:43pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 11 2021 11:35pm)
Man, you can't even admit when you have no argument. You're a piece of work. What do you think about that Stairmaster? Way I understand it, landwhales are dying to covid left and right. Let me help you. :hug:

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How does congress regulate interstate commerce? It does so by empowering the executive with rules that it will enforce. Executive orders are how the president tells the executive branch how to enforce those laws.

https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/oshact/section_2

Biden has been empowered by Congress to "encourage employers and employees in their efforts to reduce the number of occupational safety and health hazards at their places of employment". Vaccination does this. End of story. If you think that's too broad, then take it up with congress for writing broad laws.
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Sep 11 2021 10:47pm
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How does congress regulate interstate commerce? It does so by empowering the executive with rules that it will enforce. Executive orders are how the president tells the executive branch how to enforce those laws.

https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/oshact/section_2

Biden has been empowered by Congress to "encourage employers and employees in their efforts to reduce the number of occupational safety and health hazards at their places of employment". Vaccination does this. End of story. If you think that's too broad, then take it up with congress for writing broad laws.


OSHA has no oversight when it comes to virology. NONE. They never did. Congress never provided them that power.

Once again, what do you think about that Stairmaster? Way I understand it, landwhales are dying to covid left and right. Let me help you. :hug:

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Sep 11 2021 10:49pm
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OSHA has no oversight when it comes to virology. NONE. They never did. Congress never provided them that power.

Once again, what do you think about that Stairmaster? Way I understand it, landwhales are dying to covid left and right. Let me help you. :hug:

Fact Check: The above hug is unlikely to have happened. The posted has been determined not to have arms long enough to fit around land whales. We rate the above posted hug as a 4 Pinocchio's.


Who is arguing that they do? This is strictly about creating a safer work environment which is why testing is an alternative.
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Sep 11 2021 10:58pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 11 2021 11:47pm)
OSHA has no oversight when it comes to virology. NONE. They never did. Congress never provided them that power.

Once again, what do you think about that Stairmaster? Way I understand it, landwhales are dying to covid left and right. Let me help you. :hug:

Fact Check: The above hug is unlikely to have happened. The posted has been determined not to have arms long enough to fit around land whales. We rate the above posted hug as a 4 Pinocchio's.


If congress intended the oversight to be narrow they would have said so. They do not need to say every realm they can make rules about.
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Sep 11 2021 10:59pm
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Quote (thundercock @ 11 Sep 2021 21:49)
Who is arguing that they do? This is strictly about creating a safer work environment which is why testing is an alternative.


Perhaps you didn't read the Biden EO. It's entirely based around virology, which OSHA has no purview. But hey, keep on keeping on arguing the case of the progressives. It's really fun when you contradict one post with another.

Tell me, how long have you been blowing Thor? Or... Has Thor been blowing you?

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 11 Sep 2021 21:58)
If congress intended the oversight to be narrow they would have said so. They do not need to say every realm they can make rules about.


When the power is given to CONGRESS in the CONSTITUTION, it is NARROW. You're stupid. How about that Stairmaster, landwhale? :hug:

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