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Sep 10 2021 05:52pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 10 Sep 2021 19:46)
I mean its just the basic review of "congress has delegated OSHA to do literally anything it wants with unlimited scope" and "actually courts have struck down stuff like this in the past"
There's clearly no congressional authorization for such a mandate, and its not clear if congress even has such jurisdiction or if it would fall on state/local governments, but even besides long term doubts over the survival of chevron doctrine and the open-ended executive bureaucracy, there's a pretty good history of courts striking down overly broad mandates citing such ambiguous authorities. I mean, just look at the list of ETS cases that french cites. Covid-19 is a blatant outlier, every other case is a physical compound / chemical, which is what the law was written about and intended. You don't have to be an originalist to see the problem with taking a law that gives OSHA authority to regulate newly discovered chemicals prior to rigorous testing to determine final regulatory schemes, and using it to pass a social policy mandate clearly aimed at public health that has dick all to do with employers. His order doesn't even fill the basic criterion of the ETS statute itself that demands exceptions for employers who show reasonable safeguards are already in place. This was never a law that delegated any authority to regulate communicable disease prevention measures, and OSHA isn't even the proper federal agency to regulate public health to begin with. Its not like Biden can deny it and pretend this is solely an issue of employee safety, since he announced it with that speech.

biden doesnt need any of this. one of these two will happen as i posted before: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=82747482&f=119&p=573324779#p573324779

1. Roberts will cite the individual mandate again as reason why

2. if that doesn’t work Kavanaugh will say even though it’s unconstitutional, it’s temporary and its more harm than good to do anything otherwise.
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Sep 10 2021 06:00pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 10 2021 04:40pm)
One of the more nonsensical takes.

Not wanting to go serve in the military isn't elitist. Vast majority of Americans don't serve, is it because these Americans are elitist or is it the fact that they view it as a waste of time which they rather invest in working/college?

I'm pretty sure vets make up a huge part of the Trump's base also. I know a few people that served and they tend to be pro-police, pro law and order, most are openly supportive of Trump. I mean many ex soldiers end up as cops. You obviously have a very sheltered/bubble existence if you think military/ex-military aren't right leaning for the most part.


No one said that vets aren't right leaning. Where did I even imply that? Could you show me the sentence(s) that confused you?

My point is that Biden appears to respect the military more than our other elitist Presidents. I'd probably rank them in the following way:

1. George HW Bush
2. Joe Biden
3. Donald Trump
4. Bill Clinton
5. George W Bush
6. Barack Hussein Obama
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Sep 10 2021 06:28pm
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 10 2021 08:00pm)
No one said that vets aren't right leaning. Where did I even imply that? Could you show me the sentence(s) that confused you?

My point is that Biden appears to respect the military more than our other elitist Presidents. I'd probably rank them in the following way:

1. George HW Bush
2. Joe Biden
3. Donald Trump
4. Bill Clinton
5. George W Bush
6. Barack Hussein Obama



You wishing it to be true doesn’t make it so. It’s possible you’re right, but none of us are in Biden’s head to know how much he actually respects military members or not. From his watch checking recently it doesn’t seem like those parents agree with your rosy view of Biden.
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Sep 10 2021 06:38pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 10 2021 05:28pm)
You wishing it to be true doesn’t make it so. It’s possible you’re right, but none of us are in Biden’s head to know how much he actually respects military members or not. From his watch checking recently it doesn’t seem like those parents agree with your rosy view of Biden.


Well then this exercise is pretty pointless, isn't it?

Are we really going to use grieving parents as the standard for respect? A lot of these parents are giving serious Cindy Sheehan vibes. That's fine, they are entitled to their opinion and their grief. No one will fault them for that. However, I wouldn't really put much weight into their opinions because they aren't rational people.
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Sep 10 2021 06:43pm
Quote (excellence @ 10 Sep 2021 16:13)
biden repeatedly brings up his JAG officer son Beau dying from brain cancer in a hospital in the USA (which is a tragedy for a father to outlive his son, yes) as some sort of comparison


I would argue that his son, given the choice, would probably stay dead, if he were an honorable soldier. Watching his father disrespect and disregard his brothers in arms would likely have him rolling in his grave.

I'm happy for Biden's son that he hasn't had to put up with Biden's bullshit to the point that he becomes a drug addict just to deal with life. While I feel terrible for the disrespected actual soldiers Biden doesn't give a fuck about, I think the opportunity to escape from biden was worth brain cancer for his son. :)
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Sep 10 2021 07:10pm
Quote (thundercock @ 10 Sep 2021 20:38)
Well then this exercise is pretty pointless, isn't it?

Are we really going to use grieving parents as the standard for respect? A lot of these parents are giving serious Cindy Sheehan vibes. That's fine, they are entitled to their opinion and their grief. No one will fault them for that. However, I wouldn't really put much weight into their opinions because they aren't rational people.

by your same rationale biden isnt rational either
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Sep 11 2021 11:26am
LOL
This woman gave the best response to Biden´s "Vaccine Mandate" speech
https://www.bitchute.com/video/gStl3bOGWqEP/
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Sep 11 2021 11:34am
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Are we really going to use grieving parents as the standard for respect?


I don't know what your "standard for respect" is, sir, but I think that if Biden was constantly checking his watch while attending the ceremony for fallen soldiers whose death he caused, I think that's a huge sign of disrespect in my book.
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Sep 11 2021 08:40pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/10/biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-unconstitutional-unnecessary/?utm_source=reddit.com

So another take on the constitutionality of the mandate
Here the argument is that not only does not the executive not have such jurisdiction to begin with, usurping it from state and local governments and congress without any checks or balances- but also that even if such laws actually were written by congress, they too would be unconstitutional because the federal government lacks the power to mandate healthcare choices to begin with. His main precedent to claim this is the Obamacare ruling, showing the federal government even with an act of congress lacked authority to mandate health insurance for individuals and could only structure it as a tax, with Roberts saying “People, for reasons of their own, often fail to do things that would be good for them or good for society.”

How does that argument shake out?
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Sep 11 2021 08:47pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 11 Sep 2021 22:40)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/10/biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-unconstitutional-unnecessary/?utm_source=reddit.com

So another take on the constitutionality of the mandate
Here the argument is that not only does not the executive not have such jurisdiction to begin with, usurping it from state and local governments and congress without any checks or balances- but also that even if such laws actually were written by congress, they too would be unconstitutional because the federal government lacks the power to mandate healthcare choices to begin with. His main precedent to claim this is the Obamacare ruling, showing the federal government even with an act of congress lacked authority to mandate health insurance for individuals and could only structure it as a tax, with Roberts saying “People, for reasons of their own, often fail to do things that would be good for them or good for society.”

How does that argument shake out?


the individual mandate is constitutional per roberts. he will get Kavanaugh to agree with him. 5-4 mandate is upheld
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