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Sep 10 2021 04:20pm
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 10 2021 06:18pm)
All of the children I mentioned are adults which is why I exempted Baron....the fact that they weren't encouraged to join the military stems from an elitist attitude. Trump would never encourage his children to join the military because it's "beneath them." The same applies to elitists like Clinton, Bush, and Hussein Obama. Biden is the only one who actually cares about the troops. He's the only one who understands loss because several of his children have died already.


It is pretty weird that the left has to resort to trolling to show any sort of support for Biden.
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Quote (thundercock @ 10 Sep 2021 18:07)
Because it means they love the military so much that they are willing to send their own children to die for this country. If that's not respect, I don't know what is.

JAGs aren’t exactly enlisted infantry soliders. honorable service absolutely, but lets not equate the two

Quote (Surfpunk @ 10 Sep 2021 15:21)
It wasn't about "insulting POWs". It was about your claim that McCain "started it", when that isn't remotely the case. Hell, even in 2015, Trump called McCain "incompetent" at a rally before McCain had responded with the comment about the rally "firing up the crazies".

Keep moving the goalposts, though.


A fair assessment - Mccain was an incompetent politician, other than at getting re-elected in Arizon for over 3 decades. Mccain knows this, so he insulted a bunch of other people by calling them “the crazies”
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Quote (excellence @ 10 Sep 2021 15:20)
JAGs aren’t exactly enlisted infantry soliders. honorable service absolutely, but lets not equate the two


Aren't JAGs the "soldiers" who go and prosecute soldiers who kill ISIS insurgents in self-defense?

Granted, they'd also be the "soldiers" who defend soldiers who kill ISIS insurgents in self-defense, but the point remains the same, they get to spend their time in air conditioned court rooms. Meanwhile, real soldiers who actually "give their lives" risk prosecution any time they pull the trigger. :)
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JAGs aren’t exactly enlisted infantry soliders. honorable service absolutely, but lets not equate the two



A fair assessment - Mccain was an incompetent politician, other than at getting re-elected in Arizon for over 3 decades. Mccain knows this, so he insulted a bunch of other people by calling them “the crazies”


When i read jag i think jaghut these days. I can't remember who recommended it but the malazan series is enjoyable.
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Quote (fuzzy159 @ Sep 10 2021 03:20pm)
It is pretty weird that the left has to resort to trolling to show any sort of support for Biden.


Me? Left? You must not browse these forums very often. If I had it my way, we'd still be dishonorably discharging every outed faggot in the armed forces. Alas, we've had to show our softer side and I'm a little old-school.

Let me ask you this. What is considered "respect" vs. "disrespect" in your eyes?
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JAGs aren’t exactly enlisted infantry soliders. honorable service absolutely, but lets not equate the two


Well, there are limits, right? Even if your son is as fucked up as Hunter, you still have ensure that your kid is ranked higher than rust belt white trash heroin addicts like Skinned.

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Aren't JAGs the "soldiers" who go and prosecute soldiers who kill ISIS insurgents in self-defense?

Granted, they'd also be the "soldiers" who defend soldiers who kill ISIS insurgents in self-defense, but the point remains the same, they get to spend their time in air conditioned court rooms. Meanwhile, real soldiers who actually "give their lives" risk prosecution any time they pull the trigger. :)

if they’re deployed to warzones yes. they’re military and its a totally honorable form of service, but to equate their situations to enlisted infantry is a little folly.

biden repeatedly brings up his JAG officer son Beau dying from brain cancer in a hospital in the USA (which is a tragedy for a father to outlive his son, yes) as some sort of comparison to soldiers blown to bits in a warzone to their grieving families. it’s just so tone deaf.


Quote (duffman316 @ 10 Sep 2021 18:42)
When i read jag i think jaghut these days. I can't remember who recommended it but the malazan series is enjoyable.

ill have to check it out my friend
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Me? Left? You must not browse these forums very often. If I had it my way, we'd still be dishonorably discharging every outed faggot in the armed forces. Alas, we've had to show our softer side and I'm a little old-school.

Let me ask you this. What is considered "respect" vs. "disrespect" in your eyes?


Well, there are limits, right? Even if your son is as fucked up as Hunter, you still have ensure that your kid is ranked higher than rust belt white trash heroin addicts like Skinned.

lol

i do feel for biden on this regard. the good son died young and the prodigal son is left, so he has to go out and move the goalposts over and over again for a 50 year old adult fuckup who managed to fuckup a royal flush hand in life. well at least he loves his kid.
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When i read jag i think jaghut these days. I can't remember who recommended it but the malazan series is enjoyable.


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Quote (thundercock @ Sep 10 2021 06:18pm)
All of the children I mentioned are adults which is why I exempted Baron....the fact that they weren't encouraged to join the military stems from an elitist attitude. Trump would never encourage his children to join the military because it's "beneath them." The same applies to elitists like Clinton, Bush, and Hussein Obama. Biden is the only one who actually cares about the troops. He's the only one who understands loss because several of his children have died already.


One of the more nonsensical takes.

Not wanting to go serve in the military isn't elitist. Vast majority of Americans don't serve, is it because these Americans are elitist or is it the fact that they view it as a waste of time which they rather invest in working/college?

I'm pretty sure vets make up a huge part of the Trump's base also. I know a few people that served and they tend to be pro-police, pro law and order, most are openly supportive of Trump. I mean many ex soldiers end up as cops. You obviously have a very sheltered/bubble existence if you think military/ex-military aren't right leaning for the most part.
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Quote (IceMage @ Sep 10 2021 06:28pm)


I mean its just the basic review of "congress has delegated OSHA to do literally anything it wants with unlimited scope" and "actually courts have struck down stuff like this in the past"
There's clearly no congressional authorization for such a mandate, and its not clear if congress even has such jurisdiction or if it would fall on state/local governments, but even besides long term doubts over the survival of chevron doctrine and the open-ended executive bureaucracy, there's a pretty good history of courts striking down overly broad mandates citing such ambiguous authorities. I mean, just look at the list of ETS cases that french cites. Covid-19 is a blatant outlier, every other case is a physical compound / chemical, which is what the law was written about and intended. You don't have to be an originalist to see the problem with taking a law that gives OSHA authority to regulate newly discovered chemicals prior to rigorous testing to determine final regulatory schemes, and using it to pass a social policy mandate clearly aimed at public health that has dick all to do with employers. His order doesn't even fill the basic criterion of the ETS statute itself that demands exceptions for employers who show reasonable safeguards are already in place. This was never a law that delegated any authority to regulate communicable disease prevention measures, and OSHA isn't even the proper federal agency to regulate public health to begin with. Its not like Biden can deny it and pretend this is solely an issue of employee safety, since he announced it with that speech.
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