McCain isn't a war hero because he was captured. He's a war hero because he was offered an easy way out (to go home as part of a North Vietnamese propaganda ploy), and chose instead to be tortured in a remote North Vietnamese prison.

I think what you mean to say is that being a war hero does not make you immune from criticism, or necessarily make you a good politician.

Being captured does not make one a hero. It's as simple as that. During the OJ trial people were calling him a "hero". What? OJ was every bit as much of a hero as Jenny McCarthy is a medical expert. Likewise, being captured does not make you a hero.

In McCain's defense, his actions as a prisoner in supporting other prisoners and keeping them from breaking, not breaking himself, under some rather extreme beatings and injuries border on heroic. But there's accuracy in Trump's insult. However, one could even go so far as to claim that McCain was a shitty pilot who lied about one of his crashes being due to "engine failure", given the official investigations led to the conclusion it was due to "Pilot Error".

I have questions, in fact, regarding McCain's bombing run where he got shot down by a rocket, and whether he was at proper altitudes to prevent such an eventuality. Once again, I voted for McCain as senator, but his stances in his last few years of life were contrary to the good of the people of Arizona in many respects, and a lot of that has led to questions regarding his earlier life. He was certainly a war hawk, which is awfully strange. Wouldn't you think PoWs would prefer not to engage in additional wars without any but the best of causes?

But you know what? Regardless of what either of them did, neither McCain OR Trump would have disrespected service members that their Administration caused to die in the way Biden did. So I'll simply tip my hat to both of them, and flip Biden the bird.



"After a back and forth..." Nowhere in that quote does it say Trump "started it". And you're missing the point. If you insult Trump, he will insult you back. McCain insulted Trump and his supporters, so Trump insulted him back. If McCain had been "the better man" and not engaged in the insulting game, then Trump wouldn't have said it. It said they were already in a back and forth. And by the end, McCain WAS incompetent. He died in office after voting against the repeal of the ACA. Note: At that time, there were 0 marketplace ACA plans in Arizona, and there was no ACA subsidy for mandated insurance for the low income or elderly from the federal government. We had state level programs, but the last several years before Trump's EO, the ACA did absolutely nothing but fuck the people of Arizona. Naturally, McCain voted against it's repeal. His job was to represent the people of Arizona. He failed. He was incompetent.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Sep 10 2021 01:36pm

I mean, if Biden truly was like, "when the hell is this going to be over and done with" during the funeral/ceremony, then indeed that is very disrespectful. And add to the fact that those deaths are caused by him, that just makes it worse.

Anyway, I just think that it's a very, very unfortunate thing that nations' leaders can order people to go to various wars, and they (the leaders) themselves are not exposed to real danger in any way. They probably don't give a shit when soldiers die. I really think this needs to be fixed. I think that presidents need to have first-degree relatives serving in the armed forces on the front-line before they can be qualified enough to decide whether to send service members into a war.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Sep 10 2021 01:43pm

Biden is the most respectful President towards the troops since George HW Bush. All the other Presidents did not have children who served which means they disdain the military. Clinton's daughter could have joined. Bush's daughters could have joined. Hussein Obama's daughters could have joined. Trump's children (except Baron) could have joined. They didn't though because they would never let their children have such a shitty job.

biden has never been respectful of any thing
joe Biden's Long History Of Lies, Stealing Quotes, And Plagiarism - No Joe 2020
https://www.bitchute.com/video/UOjnb6K3fzqy/

How does his children enlisting have anything to do with being respectful towards the troops? I've been enlisted through three presidents so far. Biden is easily the most disliked president of the three among my peers. He's also the least respectful of the three and it really isn't even close.

Because it means they love the military so much that they are willing to send their own children to die for this country. If that's not respect, I don't know what is.

Children can't enlist and go die overseas. Parents definitely can't sign up their kids either.. Adults can choose to sign up though.

All of the children I mentioned are adults which is why I exempted Baron....the fact that they weren't encouraged to join the military stems from an elitist attitude. Trump would never encourage his children to join the military because it's "beneath them." The same applies to elitists like Clinton, Bush, and Hussein Obama. Biden is the only one who actually cares about the troops. He's the only one who understands loss because several of his children have died already.