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Sep 8 2020 10:41am
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 8 2020 12:27pm)
This is an area where Trump has complete authority... he doesn't have to garner any votes on Capitol Hill to pull out of Afghanistan. It's an issue where his propagandists and base are with him. Many Democrats support leaving. Some Republicans like Rand Paul and Josh Hawley support leaving. This isn't a tough decision politically.

It's actually kind of funny... Trump has every incentive to leave. Yet he listens to his military advisers and stays.


No he doesn't have absolute authority.

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The House Armed Services Committee voted Wednesday to put roadblocks on President Trump’s ability to withdraw from Afghanistan, including requiring an assessment on whether any country has offered incentives for the Taliban to attack U.S. and coalition troops.
The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) amendment, from Rep. Jason Crow (D-Colo.), would require several certifications before the U.S. military can further draw down in Afghanistan.
The amendment was approved 45-11.


https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a33071940/trump-afghanistan-russia-lawmakers-block-withdrawal/


So we have a democrat penning a bill to limit Trump's ability to draw down on troops in Afghanistan yet you come in here with some horseshit that democrats support him in withdrawing? Dude do some research because your whole opinion is based on things that aren't even true.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 8 2020 10:43am
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Sep 8 2020 10:58am
Did everyone forget the epic shitstorm Trump received from the entire military and state department apparatus as well as the media after he tried to use his authority to unilaterally order an immediate withdrawal from Syria?
Pepe ridge farm remembers...


- The establishment absolutely hated it when Trump actually acted on his authority to withdraw troops, and they indeed raised some good points why he shouldnt do that and take a more cautious, incremental approach.
- In those cases where Trump took a more cautious, incremental approach (e.g. Afghanistan), the same establishment forces did everything in their power to slow walk, delay and undermine the withdrawal.
- And now, our resident establishment shills blame Trump for not having ordered a hasty, immediate withdrawal?! Are you kidding me?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 8 2020 10:59am
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Sep 8 2020 11:34am
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/07/u-s-ambassador-france-denies-atlantic-story-potus-never-denigrated-any-member-us-military/

A statement from Jamie McCourt, Ambassador to France who was present with Trump not just on the trip to France but physically in the room when Trump called off the trip to the cemetery at Belleau Wood

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“Needless to say, I never spoke to the Atlantic, and I can’t imagine who would,” McCourt told Breitbart News. “In my presence, POTUS has NEVER denigrated any member of the U.S. military or anyone in service to our country. And he certainly did not that day, either. Let me add, he was devastated to not be able to go to the cemetery at Belleau Wood. In fact, the next day, he attended and spoke at the ceremony in Suresnes in the pouring rain.”


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How can @JeffreyGoldberg have "4 people with firsthand knowledge" of this when everyone who was in the room & would qualify as firsthand sources are now on the record denying his story?

On the record denials from:
Zach Fuentes
Jordan Karem
Derek Lyons
Stephen Miller
FLOTUS
POTUS


At this point, its clear that Jeffrey Goldberg's story is a fabrication. There literally aren't 4 people left who could have witnessed such a statement because everyone on the trip is accounted for except John Kelly, who hasn't said anything yet and seems unlikely since he would not have stayed silent until now, he wouldn't have let something like that pass.

How can there be four US officials to anonymous confirm this story as eyewitnesses, if we can account for every possible US official eyewitness?
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Sep 8 2020 11:42am
Quote (Goomshill @ 8 Sep 2020 19:34)
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/07/u-s-ambassador-france-denies-atlantic-story-potus-never-denigrated-any-member-us-military/

A statement from Jamie McCourt, Ambassador to France who was present with Trump not just on the trip to France but physically in the room when Trump called off the trip to the cemetery at Belleau Wood

At this point, its clear that Jeffrey Goldberg's story is a fabrication. There literally aren't 4 people left who could have witnessed such a statement because everyone on the trip is accounted for except John Kelly, who hasn't said anything yet and seems unlikely since he would not have stayed silent until now, he wouldn't have let something like that pass.

How can there be four US officials to anonymous confirm this story as eyewitnesses, if we can account for every possible US official eyewitness?


From the wiki article on her:
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"In 2016, McCourt served as Presidential Trustee and California State Co-Chair for Trump Victory.[22] She then was on the Transition Finance Committee for then President-Elect Donald Trump."


McCourt is a major donor and supporter of Trump, and was rewarded for her loyalty with a high-profile ambassador post. She's a Trump crony, and has a personal stake in him winning reelection, so that she can keep her fancy position. Hence, it's not exactly surprising to see her coming out in his defense.

But didnt John Bolton also deny having heard Trump make any of those denigrating comments? And he's someone who has no love lost for Trump...

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Sep 8 2020 11:43am
Quote (Goomshill @ 8 Sep 2020 13:34)
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/07/u-s-ambassador-france-denies-atlantic-story-potus-never-denigrated-any-member-us-military/

A statement from Jamie McCourt, Ambassador to France who was present with Trump not just on the trip to France but physically in the room when Trump called off the trip to the cemetery at Belleau Wood





At this point, its clear that Jeffrey Goldberg's story is a fabrication. There literally aren't 4 people left who could have witnessed such a statement because everyone on the trip is accounted for except John Kelly, who hasn't said anything yet and seems unlikely since he would not have stayed silent until now, he wouldn't have let something like that pass.

How can there be four US officials to anonymous confirm this story as eyewitnesses, if we can account for every possible US official eyewitness?


he made it up. well not really he took a scene out of the Godfather II and attributed the quotes to Trump lmao.

this little fella at the Atlantic and all those involved should be punished for their crimes of sedition and subversion. but the media/(D)s/lefties/RINOs will claim first amendment pale pasty lefty privilege

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 8 Sep 2020 13:42)
From the wiki article on her:


McCourt is a major donor and supporter of Trump, and was rewarded for her loyalty with a high-profile ambassador post. She's a Trump crony, and has a personal stake in him winning reelection, so that she can keep her fancy position. Hence, it's not exactly surprising to see her coming out in his defense.

But didnt John Bolton also deny having heard Trump make any of those denigrating comments? And he's someone who has no love lost for Trump...


it’s the old “prove a negative” boring attack mechanism privileged lefties pull. its strange that the author of the atlantic article has multiple allegations of abusing children and puppies from seven anonymous senior sources familiar with the author’s thinking and behavior patterns.

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Sep 8 2020 11:47am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 8 2020 01:42pm)
From the wiki article on her:


McCourt is a major donor and supporter of Trump, and was rewarded for her loyalty with a high-profile ambassador post. She's a Trump crony, and has a personal stake in him winning reelection, so that she can keep her fancy position. Hence, it's not exactly surprising to see her coming out in his defense.

But didnt John Bolton also deny having heard Trump make any of those denigrating comments? And he's someone who has no love lost for Trump...


“I didn’t hear that,” Mr. Bolton said in an interview. “I’m not saying he didn’t say them later in the day or another time but I was there for that discussion.”

That's not a denial.
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Sep 8 2020 11:59am
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ 8 Sep 2020 19:47)
“I didn’t hear that,” Mr. Bolton said in an interview. “I’m not saying he didn’t say them later in the day or another time but I was there for that discussion.”

That's not a denial.


Bolton is one of THE major witnesses, he was present for a significant portion of the period in question, and he denied the allegations for the timeframe he is able to testify about. This doesnt entirely rule out the allegations, but it is a serious blow to them. Particularly when we keep in mind the massive bad blood between him and Trump which means that Bolton would have loved to deal this kind of blow to the president.
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Sep 8 2020 12:13pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 8 2020 12:59pm)
Bolton is one of THE major witnesses, he was present for a significant portion of the period in question, and he denied the allegations for the timeframe he is able to testify about. This doesnt entirely rule out the allegations, but it is a serious blow to them. Particularly when we keep in mind the massive bad blood between him and Trump which means that Bolton would have loved to deal this kind of blow to the president.


At this point we can say via process of elimination that there simply can't exist four witnesses with firsthand knowledge of such a statement by Trump on that trip
Everyone is accounted for, so it would have to be someone who is already on the record denying it.
That rules out the allegation beyond the realm of arguments that devolve into the hypotheticals of the flying spaghetti monster using his noodly appendage to skew the results and invalidate logic
I mean, it could be that the same people denying it now are actually the secret sources and this is just misdirection and lying and we're supposed to simultaneously trust their word and believe they're liars.
or it could be that all along Trump has been a dozen squirrels in a cheap suit and wig, fooling the nation with an elaborate deception

but unless someone can come up with a surprise new list of names of US officials who were on this trip and we never knew about it until now, I don't see how Goldfarb could have four real sources
what he could have is four people claiming to be sources and feeding him bullshit
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Sep 8 2020 12:35pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 8 Sep 2020 20:13)
At this point we can say via process of elimination that there simply can't exist four witnesses with firsthand knowledge of such a statement by Trump on that trip
Everyone is accounted for, so it would have to be someone who is already on the record denying it.
That rules out the allegation beyond the realm of arguments that devolve into the hypotheticals of the flying spaghetti monster using his noodly appendage to skew the results and invalidate logic
I mean, it could be that the same people denying it now are actually the secret sources and this is just misdirection and lying and we're supposed to simultaneously trust their word and believe they're liars.
or it could be that all along Trump has been a dozen squirrels in a cheap suit and wig, fooling the nation with an elaborate deception

but unless someone can come up with a surprise new list of names of US officials who were on this trip and we never knew about it until now, I don't see how Goldfarb could have four real sources
what he could have is four people claiming to be sources and feeding him bullshit



https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-didnt-say-vets-with-ptsd-are-weak/


In an exchange missed by most of the media, Trump insulted all of our veterans who have suffered psychological trauma during their overseas tours by saying that only weak soldiers suffer from PTSD, and that therefore our “strong veterans” don’t require psychological counseling when they return home.

There will be plenty of quibbling in the hours ahead, but Donald Trump clearly just created a new batch of problems for himself with his comments [on 3 October 2016], in which he suggested that veterans dealing with mental health problems aren’t “strong” and “can’t handle it.”


Trump simply can't understand what it is, it's easy to imagine what happen when you are completely self centered and you can buy properties everywhere: He does not care about US or anything relevant to a nation, it's only about himself and his circle.
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Sep 8 2020 12:39pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 8 2020 01:35pm)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-didnt-say-vets-with-ptsd-are-weak/


In an exchange missed by most of the media, Trump insulted all of our veterans who have suffered psychological trauma during their overseas tours by saying that only weak soldiers suffer from PTSD, and that therefore our “strong veterans” don’t require psychological counseling when they return home.

There will be plenty of quibbling in the hours ahead, but Donald Trump clearly just created a new batch of problems for himself with his comments [on 3 October 2016], in which he suggested that veterans dealing with mental health problems aren’t “strong” and “can’t handle it.”


Trump simply can't understand what it is, it's easy to imagine what happen when you are completely self centered and you can buy properties everywhere: He does not care about US or anything relevant to a nation, it's only about himself and his circle.


mental distress from killing people = weak

dodging the draft due to bonespurs = "gym teacher at prep school said i was the best basketball player he ever coached"
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