Quote (Goomshill @ 8 Sep 2020 05:59)

https://twitter.com/SeekerOTL/status/1303062174454165505

A rather odd similarity between Jeffrey Goldberg's supposed Trump quote from anonymous sources, and the script of The Godfather II
Now without any other links, that would be just silly coincidence
Except that Jeffrey Goldberg is obsessed with the Godfather movies and has written numerous articles about them and those involved in them, and framed his take on politics through a lens of The Godfather
He contextualized Obama around it, he framed Trump's presidency through it, and he even quoted Obama with direct Godfather quotes he fed him in an interview

Considering the amount of witnesses who have come out on the record denying Goldberg's claim, and the complete lack of evidence he's presented so far, it seems more likely that Goldberg was building upon the bullshit he knows.

also, there's the aspect where even if you believe Goldberg had real sources making this claim, you'd have to explain why a man so obsessed with the godfather movies and who spent years comparing presidents to them, would not make any such comparison or distinction to an almost identical quote he's attributing to President Trump and what Sonny Corleone said in Part II. A rather conspicuous absence.

Quote (fender @ Sep 8 2020 06:49am)

lol, trump re-tweeting someone calling him a bitch. what a very smart president...

https://i.imgur.com/VT8ntRq.jpg

Quote (IceMage @ Sep 8 2020 11:03am)

This "military-industrial complex" attack line from Trump is obviously deflection that makes no sense. Trump hasn't ended the endless wars... he could pull us out of Afghanistan tomorrow if he wanted, or the many other conflicts we're participating in. He hasn't. He brags constantly anytime the US sells arms to other nations(like Saudi Arabia). He offered US troops to be essentially mercenaries for Saudi Arabia. He's increased the defense budget.

This is one of those issues where Trump plays both sides... pretending he's an isolationist dove for the rubes who believe it while taking credit for a military buildup.

Quote (IceMage @ Sep 8 2020 08:03am)

This "military-industrial complex" attack line from Trump is obviously deflection that makes no sense. Trump hasn't ended the endless wars... he could pull us out of Afghanistan tomorrow if he wanted, or the many other conflicts we're participating in. He hasn't. He brags constantly anytime the US sells arms to other nations(like Saudi Arabia). He offered US troops to be essentially mercenaries for Saudi Arabia. He's increased the defense budget.

This is one of those issues where Trump plays both sides... pretending he's an isolationist dove for the rubes who believe it while taking credit for a military buildup.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 8 2020 10:06am)

It's impossible to 'end' in the literal sense because you have a chorus on both sides calling him irresponsible every time he tries. Trump very clearly tried on multiple occasions to bring troops home from Afghanistan, Syria, Germany only to be called a million names for wanting to do that. Are you really not familiar with this or just ignoring it?

Quote (ofthevoid @ 8 Sep 2020 11:06)

It's impossible to 'end' in the literal sense because you have a chorus on both sides calling him irresponsible every time he tries. Trump very clearly tried on multiple occasions to bring troops home from Afghanistan, Syria, Germany only to be called a million names for wanting to do that. Are you really not familiar with this or just ignoring it?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 8 2020 11:06am)

It's impossible to 'end' in the literal sense because you have a chorus on both sides calling him irresponsible every time he tries. Trump very clearly tried on multiple occasions to bring troops home from Afghanistan, Syria, Germany only to be called a million names for wanting to do that. Are you really not familiar with this or just ignoring it?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 8 2020 11:09am)

And the arms deals? The offering american troops as mercenaries? His increase of the defense budget?

I thought Trump "told it like it is" and "Wasn't going to be like a normal politician" so why does he care if he's being called irresponsible? The whole point of his presidency is that he was going to do the things the people want even if it's unpopular with the deep state or establishment.

Quote (IceMage @ Sep 8 2020 11:13am)

He faces political pushback when he tries to end wars... so what? He faces pushback for many things and proceeds anyway. Who was out there applauding him for the trade war? His propagandists in the media would love if he pulled out of Afghanistan... his voters would love it too.

Is it wrong to expect Trump to be courageous in favor of the troops? We're supposed to shrug our shoulders when he continues these endless wars because Lindsey Graham would get angry for a week?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 8 2020 10:14am)

Selling arms and bringing troops home aren't mutually exclusive things which if you do one then you can't do the other. It's entirely possible to sell guns and want to end US involvement in wars.

If you look at this from a lens of economics, which i would say it's the one that Trump uses, selling guns is a net good for the US (billions coming in), bringing the troops home also net good with hundreds of millions being saved in military costs.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 8 2020 11:18am)

You're shifting from the point. Those things undeniably support the military industrial complex. The "economic lens" is exactly that, supporting the influence of the military industrial complex.