Quote (celloboy126 @ 27 Nov 2023 17:03)
1. Netanyahu has encouraged Qatar to send Hamas money as late as 2021 as Haaretz reported, because he uses them as a scapegoat to justify ethnic cleansing. He has been funding Hamas since the early 90s to weaken the secular, western-friendly PLO led by Yasser Arafat at the time, because he didn't want the west to sympathize with Palestinians when he did his ethnic cleansing.
2. The IDF has targeted water tanks and solar panels with accurate weaponry that does not miss. They have bombed caravans fleeing south after telling Palestinians in Gaza to flee south. They have admitted that they bombed 22+ hospitals in Gaza. Their MO is "hamas is hiding everywhere, so we are justified in carpet bombing". Sorry, but 7000+ children dead is not "minimizing casualties". Israeli media even brags about the number of dead Palestinians, calling them all "terrorists." And even if there's a Hamas militant hiding amongst 7 Palestinian children in a room, that doesn't justify blowing all of them up! The "human shields" argument is incredibly stupid, and is just a way to try to absolve trigger-happy Israelis of guilt from the IDF attempting to wipe out an entire ethnic group.
3. This conflict did not begin on Oct 7th with the egregious war crimes of Hamas against innocent Israelis. It began 75 years ago with the Nakba in 1948 and systematic ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from what was their land. Of course Palestinians would side with whatever side is resisting occupation (Hamas), even if they are extremely barbaric and evil.
4. The "but Hamas" argument fails spectacularly in the West Bank, where there is no Hamas, but there is still ethnic cleansing. In the West Bank, Palestinians are being told to leave or face extermination. Hundreds have already been murdered by the IDF and armed Israeli settlers even though there is no Palestinian resistance or Hamas presence there.
5. Israel is infinitely stronger than whatever forces are in Gaza on the Palestinian side, including Hamas. This is not a conflict, it is a slaughter. If Israel wanted to, it could flatten Gaza entirely with bombs and kill every Palestinian living there. The one thing stopping it is public pressure. Even the US won't stand by and watch as Israel commits genocide of the Palestinian people; Biden's approval rating is lower than ever before as a result of the youth waking up to the US's complicit role in the ongoing Palestinian genocide. Palestinians have no power to escape or improve their situation. In Gaza they tried armed resistance (albeit in a gruesome and evil way). In the West Bank they tried nonviolence. In East Jerusalem they tried peacefully living in Israel. Nothing seems to work. The onus is on Israel to end the occupation, and slowly allow Palestinians in Gaza/West Bank a form of return to Israel. Israel will have to get rid of its miscegenation laws, its two road system, its practice of having Palestinians face military tribunal with 100% conviction rate while Israelis get civil courts, and all the other aspects of the apartheid it created. Israel will become a true democracy and cease to be an ethnostate then. And the world needs to apply strong pressure through sanctions, boycotts, lobbying politicians, etc to force Israel's hand.
6. What's happening to the Palestinians is genocide. Genocide, as laid out in the Rome statute by the ICC, is the dual combination of *intent* to erase a population as well as *demonstrated ability*. There are many examples of Israeli politicians just outwardly admitting they want to wipe out all Palestinians, like they view them as stains. The IDF's bombing campaign clearly indicates their genocidal ambitions as well. Numerous genocide scholars have acknowledged that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is genocide, in particular through collective punishment and forced relocation.
7. As gross and unconscionably bad Hamas is, they are fundamentally reactionaries that were born out of the destruction Israel imposed on the Palestinian people. Their existence has been a bane to the Palestinian people as well as Israeli civilians. The one group who benefits from them are hardline Israelis who seek the eradication of Palestinians, like Netanyahu, because he can point to them whenever he wants to do a little genociding, while the west watches on. The solution to this whole conflict, once again, is Israel becoming a true democracy, not an ethnostate, and allowing Palestinians the to live, not fencing them in open-air prisons and conducting regular bombing rituals to blow up their children every couple months. Just as the ANC no longer does terrorism in South Africa, and the Black Panthers no longer do terrorism in the US, so Hamas will either cease to exist or will become a completely benign entity once Israel, the player with all the agency in this situation, displays a little humanity to the Palestinians it has entrapped for 75 years.
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1. Opinion irrelevant
2. Children women and elderly are used in terrorist warfare so unless you know how many combatabts it’s irrelevant
3. The conflict began with Arabs massacring jews in the late 1800 early 1900 back than it was the Arab - Israeli conflict
On 1948 the Arab attacked and lost and whine about it until this day.
On1967 after we occupied the area of the west bank from Jordan.
The movement of palestinian started up until than they didnt even had a flag (so they took off the star off the jordanian flag)
4. Violence will be answered by arrests and if needed violence.
5. Israel is stronger because unlike the Arabs we have no where else to go and Hamas should have think about it before massacring civilians.
6. If its genocide how do you explain the exponentially increase in population?
7. Terrorist organization among arabs have rich history trougout the middle east and has nothing to do with Israel.