do you dispute that Iran intensified its proxy wars post-2014?


regarding the "milestone in diplomacy" stuff: the international community and media were sucking Obama's dick nonstop, I mean, the guy even received a Nobel Peace Prize without doing anything for it, just for existing and some fancy speeches.

Dismissing inconvenient facts as 'neocon talking points', and having the audacity of calling him disingenuous. Describing the shortcomings of a deal does not discredit the entirety of the deal. And you wonder why some people don't take you seriously.

no one takes him seriously he’s been turned into a meme of an e-punching bag

see that's what happens when you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about and just repeat moronic neocon talking points without a critical thought: that deal was not just obama's brainchild and creation. it was the result of almost 2 years of negotiations between iran and the five permanent members of the UNSC (china, russia, US, UK, france), germany, and the EU. pretending like it was just "the international community sucking obama's dick", while ignoring the fact that foreign policy experts and negotiators were all positively surprised about the extent of concessions iran made, just makes you look ignorant and foolish.

why don't you provide a source to back up your ridiculous claim that iran used "all the freed up resources from the lifted sanctions to fuel its proxy wars in the region instead of building up its country"?
might as well claim that trump used all the money he scammed with his failed businesses, through the trump foundation, and by misusing the office to generate profit, on orange face paint...

also, let's not act like it isn't incredibly hypocritical to criticise iran for their activities in the region while trying to rationalise america's action, considering their presence in the middle east...

Fenderp has a talent for diatribes saying nothing in many words. Truly astounding.

JayQwik/Pollster did that a lot.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jan 12 2020 10:30am

dude he's black yo

hahahaha yeah and he got punted off the forum, ran away to reddit politics or mmo-champion or some other gutter. good riddance to that degenerate sociopath!

The UN Security council implicitly acknowledges that all countries are not created equal. Countries that are pillars of international order get a much larger say.

Iran doesn't get to set the rules of engagement. If they want to prioritize the export of revolution abroad, they have a right to do that, just as the United States, Israel, and the Gulf states have a right to respond.

Let go of the idea that the world is "fair", it makes you sound like a 6 year old child.

I don't understand the point of scrapping the deal when we already paid the upfront cost. The Iran Deal at least slowed down their path to a nuke. Now we have nothing. My suspicion is that Trump got rid of the deal for political purposes (Obama did it), not because his administration actually thought they could come up with a better deal. Hence, no new deal.

One way to help prevent Iran from getting a nuke is with military intervention and interference. I suppose we are going that route now. The combination of military interference and diplomacy was probably the best bet, though. Now Iran has more capability to have more functioning centrifuges and more enriched uranium with less oversight than before the deal.