if youre looking for a specific example youll find it. that doesnt disregard the overarching theme



ITT: Liberals want to punish the public to reserve the right for govt. workers to halt the essential goods and services they provide if they subjectively feel they arent compensated enough.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 29 2014 05:45pm

You're completely disregarding the fact that the government can refuse any contract they want with their workforce and let them go on strike. Not to mention that I would be able to make more money in the private sector working for an executive protection service provider than I do as a government employee. The only reason people like want to pretend fair compensation is some kind of monstrosity must be your advocacy for feudalism and/or slave labor.

If public sector employees can hire their own boss, then I can hire my own boss by shopping where I work.....



It is a direct counterexample to what you just claimed. Public sector unions are completely able to be broken same as private sector unions if they are perceived to be out of hand.



When you can't make the case just post a wall of text so its harder to respond too.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 29 2014 05:45pm

If I want lies in my post all I have to do is quote something you said.

ITT: skinned and riskofcommunism post lies and insults and want to use government force to put the interests of government employees/themselves over that of the public.


You haven't posted jackshit of substance hardly ever and instead of rebutting my points just call it a wall of text.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 29 2014 05:47pm

its a specific example of a huge minority of public sector employees from the 80s.

and dont tell me that public sectors can be broken. i live in wisconsin where the right was taken away and THOUSANDS of teachers either left work entirely to protest in the capital leaving inadequate subs to fill in for weeks to months OR they did sit ins where they refused to teach for weeks at a time.

you cant recall public union rights without having a direct detrimental effect on the population because of the goods & services you put at risk



police, firefighters, sewage workers, road construction crews, teachers

which one of these sectors could you let go on strike?

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 29 2014 05:49pm

Many sectors of the public unions are not allowed to strike, sir. Although the police here went on strike once in my life when their chief was criticized by the mayor over police brutality. That wasn't a union thing though.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 29 2014 05:49pm

When the job quality decreases they're entirely within their rights to leave that job and protest. If it was an individual doing it then you wouldn't have an issue, but when they use their right to assemble and talk to each other you have an issue. You've got a pretty bad slave mentality about teachers....

But at the bold you've already acknowledged that they have a right to form a union, so I guess it doesn't matter what you think after that.

u mean like teachers? they can pull a sit in anytime they want, and did when Scott Walker temporarily took away their guarenteed raise as a budget balancing tool.



many things wrong, non they didnt get their right to HAVE a union taken away it was the bargaining.

teachers can go to public jobs if they are unhappy with compensation. they ARE within their rights to leave the job

no person is a slave. if you have a bachelors degree the world is your oyester my man, anyone who tells you differently was just too lazy to apply for jobs outside their field

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 29 2014 05:53pm

Crying about lies and lying in the same sentence, bravo.

Bargaining with the public is not putting anyone's rights above anyone else, it's providing equal rights. The public elects representatives to bargain for them, the union elects a representative to bargain for them and as you put it, a "mutually beneficial voluntary" contract is produced. You want to strip away the first amendment rights of public employees because you don't give a shit about individual rights or freedoms, you just want to take one step closer to feudalism and indentured servitude.

Your entire argument consists of, "let the rich and powerful abuse and subjugate people, that's real freedom" and "liar liar pants on fire." It's pathetic really.

This post was edited by RiskOfFire on Dec 29 2014 05:55pm