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Sep 10 2021 11:07am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 10 2021 09:59am)
disrespecting 1 dead soldier is magnitudes worse than disrespecting thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of prisoners or war?

not sure how the math works there...


I don't see the point in trying to decide which act of disrespect is "worse", or "more disrespectful". How about they are both bad?
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Sep 10 2021 11:10am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 10 2021 12:03pm)
What were Trump's exact words? Can you quote him?

Also, I find it fucking hilarious that the same people who were calling McCain all the same nonsense bullshit they called Bush and Romney and Trump are now standing on his grave shouting about how bad Trump was to him.

Get off your soapbox, nobody gives a fuck. McCain's dead. And before dying, he showed that he was indeed the disgrace Trump claimed he was by voting against the repeal of the ACA.


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“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”


it seems u cared enough to reply and also strawman me.

Quote (excellence @ Sep 10 2021 12:03pm)
?? there were 11 remains brought back that biden oversaw

there was no long list of people that seemed to personalize Trump’s clumsy retort directly to Mccain. only ones who seemed to take offense were people who hate the military/our country anyway


and Biden's detractors dont include angry people online with no connection to the dead soldiers or even the military at all?
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Sep 10 2021 11:24am
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 10 2021 06:53am)
This isn't about left vs right. In fact, on the right, the populist nationalists who wish to promote the common good are ascendant. This is something they should support. The Republicans who talk about "muh freedoms" are out of touch, and on the way out.


I'm not nearly as sure as you are that Americans are more authoritarian than the CCP.

It might be time to take a step back and understand how and why the United States government has earned so little trust, and take steps to remedy that situation.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232637.shtml

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As the latest domestic coronavirus outbreaks are extinguished, the Chinese Ministry of Education has announced a number of anti-epidemic requirements at a press conference on Friday, in a bid to prevent another flare-up hitting the campuses during the upcoming semester, while calling a stop to mandatory requirements in some schools that mandate both parents and students are fully vaccinated before returning to campus.

The ministry's remarks came after several regions in China announced vaccine requirements for students and their parents, including cities in South China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, East China's Zhejiang Province, and Central China's Henan Province, according to media reports.

Answering to the one-size-fits-all policies in some parts of the country, Wu Liangyou, deputy head of the National Health Commission's disease control bureau, said at a State Council press briefing on Friday that the policies in question will be corrected as soon as possible, and overly-simplified measures aimed at accelerating vaccination will be discouraged, focusing instead on providing positive reasons for people to be vaccinated.
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Sep 10 2021 11:24am
Quote (thesnipa @ 10 Sep 2021 10:10)
it seems u cared enough to reply and also strawman me.

and Biden's detractors dont include angry people online with no connection to the dead soldiers or even the military at all?


So, you're claiming that Trump disrespected all prisoners of war. Instead, he directly questioned the "hero" status of McCain. And people who were NOT at any poing PoWs but instead just loud idiots went and got offended over it. The same exact people who insulted McCain all day long when he ran for President, and did everything they could as well to try to get his Senate Seat away from him in the meantime. As a person who actually VOTED for McCain in the Senate, all I can say is, get off your soapbox. McCain insulted Trump, Trump insulted him right back, you're acting like a fucking idiot.

Biden was looking at his watch after every body. Like he had somewhere to be. Then, rather than expressing his grief that HIS decisions put those fallen soldiers in those boxes, he made it about HIM because HIS son died in an American hospital from a Cancer completely unrelated to military service at all.

You're reaching so fucking hard to try to paint everything about Trump. Trump LOST. BIDEN is President. BIDEN needs to be held accountable, RIGHT NOW, for PRESIDENT Biden's decisions. Nobody gives a fuck about Trump. This is the JOE BIDEN thread.
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Sep 10 2021 11:34am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 10 2021 12:24pm)
So, you're claiming that Trump disrespected all prisoners of war. Instead, he directly questioned the "hero" status of McCain. And people who were NOT at any poing PoWs but instead just loud idiots went and got offended over it. The same exact people who insulted McCain all day long when he ran for President, and did everything they could as well to try to get his Senate Seat away from him in the meantime. As a person who actually VOTED for McCain in the Senate, all I can say is, get off your soapbox. McCain insulted Trump, Trump insulted him right back, you're acting like a fucking idiot.

Biden was looking at his watch after every body. Like he had somewhere to be. Then, rather than expressing his grief that HIS decisions put those fallen soldiers in those boxes, he made it about HIM because HIS son died in an American hospital from a Cancer completely unrelated to military service at all.

You're reaching so fucking hard to try to paint everything about Trump. Trump LOST. BIDEN is President. BIDEN needs to be held accountable, RIGHT NOW, for PRESIDENT Biden's decisions. Nobody gives a fuck about Trump. This is the JOE BIDEN thread.


McCain at the time was seen as a better alternative to Bush era politics, even if he was never going to get the votes of Obama crazed liberals. and he held the respect of liberals afterwards as well. there's a silly narrative that McCain was only respected by liberals once he opposed Trump, ala Jeff Flake, but this isnt accurate. of course anyone can find loonie lefties degrading McCain during the 2008 run, but that's not exactly a good statistical analysis.

in any case the conversation of who is a more disrespectful commander to the military he oversees between Biden and Trump is very much valid in a Biden OR Trump thread. i tend to think neither is very respectful, that Biden isn't lauded as a respectful commander by many lefties, and that Trump is lauded by righties as god's gift to the military and veterans. despite disrespecting them for nearly his whole life with what i think we can all agree was a bogus draft deferment and mocking statements about that deferment afterwards.
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Sep 10 2021 11:39am
"I like people who weren't captured".

Lol, to me this sounds very cute. Exactly something that Trump would say.

Why is it bad, by the way? Someone explain please.
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Sep 10 2021 11:48am
Quote (thesnipa @ 10 Sep 2021 10:34)
McCain at the time was seen as a better alternative to Bush era politics, even if he was never going to get the votes of Obama crazed liberals. and he held the respect of liberals afterwards as well. there's a silly narrative that McCain was only respected by liberals once he opposed Trump, ala Jeff Flake, but this isnt accurate. of course anyone can find loonie lefties degrading McCain during the 2008 run, but that's not exactly a good statistical analysis.

in any case the conversation of who is a more disrespectful commander to the military he oversees between Biden and Trump is very much valid in a Biden OR Trump thread. i tend to think neither is very respectful, that Biden isn't lauded as a respectful commander by many lefties, and that Trump is lauded by righties as god's gift to the military and veterans. despite disrespecting them for nearly his whole life with what i think we can all agree was a bogus draft deferment and mocking statements about that deferment afterwards.


You have defended Biden nonstop. Why? Do you believe that if YOU, personally, made a decision that cost 13 Americans and upwards of 100 Afghans their lives, that when the remains of 11 of those Americans were being brought home, it would be acceptable for YOU to stare at your watch like it would be a big bother. Do you think it would be acceptable for YOU to go off on a rant about how you lost a child to something completely unrelated that nobody else forced upon him?

Stop making excuses for Biden. He willfully caused the deaths of American service members. He willfully stranded thousands of Americans in a foreign nation. He willfully stranded American allies and collaborators in that same nation. He willfully provided a group we have called "enemies" a list of those people's names. He willfully left billions in military equipment to those enemies. Biden is a DISASTER. And you want to be upset because Trump insulted somebody who insulted him first? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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Sep 10 2021 11:49am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 10 2021 12:48pm)
You have defended Biden nonstop. Why? Do you believe that if YOU, personally, made a decision that cost 13 Americans and upwards of 100 Afghans their lives, that when the remains of 11 of those Americans were being brought home, it would be acceptable for YOU to stare at your watch like it would be a big bother. Do you think it would be acceptable for YOU to go off on a rant about how you lost a child to something completely unrelated that nobody else forced upon him?

Stop making excuses for Biden. He willfully caused the deaths of American service members. He willfully stranded thousands of Americans in a foreign nation. He willfully stranded American allies and collaborators in that same nation. He willfully provided a group we have called "enemies" a list of those people's names. He willfully left billions in military equipment to those enemies. Biden is a DISASTER. And you want to be upset because Trump insulted somebody who insulted him first? What the fuck is wrong with you?


i said hes not a respectful commander and chief and u come back with this?

icky bro, just icky.
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Sep 10 2021 11:53am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 10 2021 10:49am)
i said hes not a respectful commander and chief and u come back with this?

icky bro, just icky.


You have no decency.
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Sep 10 2021 11:54am
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 10 2021 01:39pm)
"I like people who weren't captured".

Lol, to me this sounds very cute. Exactly something that Trump would say.

Why is it bad, by the way? Someone explain please.


Because McCain did nothing wrong.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 10 2021 01:03pm)
What were Trump's exact words? Can you quote him?

Also, I find it fucking hilarious that the same people who were calling McCain all the same nonsense bullshit they called Bush and Romney and Trump are now standing on his grave shouting about how bad Trump was to him.

Get off your soapbox, nobody gives a fuck. McCain's dead. And before dying, he showed that he was indeed the disgrace Trump claimed he was by voting against the repeal of the ACA.


This does accurately sum up how the left treated McCain. He was a maverick when he was facing off against Bush, persona non grata warmonger when running against Obama, and back to maverick when feuding with Trump.
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