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Aug 10 2016 03:31pm
Newt Gingrich asked if Trump is mentally stable enough to be president.

LOOOOONG pause, "sure".

"would be at least as mentally fit as Andrew Jackson, one of the country's most decisive presidents." (paraphrased, heard on radio)


You mean the guy who threatened other members of government, famously dueled people, had a nickname from the cane he hit people with, illegally seized Florida without the consent of the President, enacted the Trail of tears and was perhaps the worst president of all time for Indians both east and west of the Mississippi and was ruthless with Floridian Seminole indians.

Sounds just about fucking right there Newt, spot on you old fat idiot.

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Aug 10 2016 03:56pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 10 2016 05:31pm)
Newt Gingrich asked if Trump is mentally stable enough to be president.

LOOOOONG pause, "sure".

"would be at least as mentally fit as Andrew Jackson, one of the country's most decisive presidents." (paraphrased, heard on radio)


You mean the guy who threatened other members of government, famously dueled people, had a nickname from the cane he hit people with, illegally seized Florida without the consent of the President, enacted the Trail of tears and was perhaps the worst president of all time for Indians both east and west of the Mississippi and was ruthless with Floridian Seminole indians.

Sounds just about fucking right there Newt, spot on you old fat idiot.


Andrew Jackson was one of America's best presidents.

He won two wars and thwarted the Bank of US twice.

America was better after he stopped the Cherokees from scalping and decapitating women and children.
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Aug 10 2016 04:00pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 10 Aug 2016 13:56)
Andrew Jackson was one of America's best presidents.

He won two wars and thwarted the Bank of US twice.

America was better after he stopped the Cherokees from scalping and decapitating women and children.


lol

Trump is really polling well with people who are pro-genocide.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 10 2016 03:56pm)
Andrew Jackson was one of America's best presidents.

He won two wars and thwarted the Bank of US twice.

America was better after he stopped the Cherokees from scalping and decapitating women and children.


The fact that you support Jackson's Indian relocation campaign should surprise me, it doesn't.

Let me say this clearly, you are human trash. I imagine that its people like you who write wartime propaganda pamphlets with a smile on your face.

As a christian I'm given a sinful amount of pleasure knowing you'll be subjected to an eternity of torture, or if I am wrong non-existence. I'm ashamed to say I hope for the torture.
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Aug 10 2016 04:33pm
“Words matter, my friends,”
Clinton said at a rally in Des Moines, Iowa.
“If you are running to be president or you are president of the United States, words can have tremendous consequences"
Yep, "words can have tremendous consequences", for anybody & everybody, but... Hillary
Of course, Hillary just Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie:
The Quick List of Clinton’s Eight E-mail Lies
Actually, a truly quick list is not possible, because she told so many, so often. James Comey, the FBI director, said in a statement Tuesday that the FBI would not recommend Hillary Clinton for indictment for using a private e-mail address and server for work communication while secretary of state. But he also detailed the findings of the FBI investigation into Clinton’s private server — disproving several of eight major lies she has told multiple times since the investigation into her private server began. Here are those eight lies, debunked.

1. Lie: She didn’t send or receive any e-mails that were classified “at the time.” Clinton told this to reporters at a press conference March 10, 2015. She repeated it at an Iowa Democratic fundraiser July 25 and at a Democratic debate February 4, 2016. Once the investigation into Clinton’s e-mails began, the FBI began retroactively classifying some of the work-related e-mails she had released. So Clinton probably opted to dodge the issue by qualifying her statement, saying that no e-mails she sent were classified “at the time.” Truth: Comey said that the FBI found at least 110 e-mails that were classified at the time Clinton sent or received them — 52 e-mail chains in all, including eight Top Secret (the highest classification level) chains.

2. Lie: She didn’t send or receive any e-mails “marked classified” at the time. Clinton made this claim most recently July 3, 2016, on Meet the Press. She first made the claim August 26, 2015, at an Iowa news conference. She repeated it at Fox News town hall March 7, 2016; at a Democratic debate March 9; at a New York news conference March 1; and on Face the Nation May 8. Clinton again appeared to spin the facts emerging in the investigation. This time, she suggested that even if the FBI were now classifying some of her e-mails, she couldn’t be held responsible since the e-mails lacked any mark of classification at the time they were sent or received. Some wondered what she even meant by “marked” classified, while others pointed out that lack of markings was no defense for mishandling the information — which the secretary of state, of all people, should have judged to be sensitive. Truth: Comey confirmed suspicions about Clinton’s claim by noting that a “small number” of the e-mails were, in fact, marked classified. Moreover, he added: “Even if information is not marked ‘classified’ in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.”

3. Lie: She turned over all of her work-related e-mails. Clinton said this on MSNBC September 4, 2015; at a Fox News town hall March 7, 2016; and at a New York press conference March 10. It’s important to remember that Clinton made this claim about the 30,000 e-mails she and her attorneys chose to provide to the State Department. After turning over paper copies of these 30,000, she and her attorneys then unilaterally deleted another 32,000 that they deemed personal. Truth: The FBI found “thousands” of work-related e-mails other than those Clinton had provided; they were in various officials’ mailboxes and in the server’s slack space. Clinton’s attorneys “did not individually read the content of all of her e-mails,” Comey said. “Instead, they relied on header information and used search terms to try to find all work-related e-mails among the reportedly more than 60,000 total e-mails remaining on Secretary Clinton’s personal system in 2014.” Though Comey denied he saw evidence of ill intent, he said: It is highly likely their search terms missed some work-related e-mails, and that we later found them. . . . It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery. (Remember the “server-wipe” speculation?)

4. Lie: She wanted to use a personal e-mail account for convenience and simplicity, streamlining to one device. Clinton said she used one device on CNN July 7, 2015, and at a New York press conference March 10. Truth: Clinton used multiple servers, administrators, and mobile devices, including an iPad and a Blackberry, to access her e-mail on her personal domain. “As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways,” Comey explained. “Piecing all of that back together — to gain as full an understanding as possible of the ways in which personal e-mail was used for government work — has been a painstaking undertaking, requiring thousands of hours of effort.”

5. Lie: Clinton’s use of a private server and e-mail domain was permitted by law and regulation. Clinton made this claim in an interview on CNN July 7, 2015; in a campaign statement in July 2015; and at the Democratic primary debates in Las Vegas on October 13, 2015. Truth: No: A May report issued by the State Department’s inspector general found that it has been department policy since 2005 that work communication be restricted to government servers. While the IG allowed for occasional use of personal e-mail in emergencies, Clinton used her personal e-mail exclusively for all work communication.

6. Lie: All of Clinton’s e-mails were immediately captured by @.gov addresses. Clinton made this claim at a New York press conference May 10, 2015. Crucially, Clinton told reporters that she exclusively used her personal e-mail because she thought her messages were always saved in the e-mail threads of senior department officials who used @.gov accounts. Truth: The State Department did not begin automatically capturing and preserving e-mails until February 2015, two years after Clinton left the State Department.

7. Lie: There were numerous safeguards against security breaches and “no evidence” of hacking. Clinton made the “safeguards” claim at a New York press conference March 10, 2015, and her former tech aide made the “no evidence” claim March 3, 2016. Truth: Among the “safeguards” of Clinton’s server were Secret Service members — but this is no safeguard at all where the Internet is concerned. Further, Comey noted: None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government — or even with a commercial service like Gmail. Your Gmail account is more secure than Hillary’s personal e-mail. Which is to say: Your Gmail account is more secure than Hillary’s personal e-mail. There is some evidence of a possible breach. Comey said: Hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account. Clinton’s “no evidence” claim is less of a bald lie than a concealment of strong possibility. She also failed to report several hacking attempts.

8. Lie: Clinton was never served a subpoena on her e-mail use. Clinton said this in a CNN interview July 7, 2015. Truth: The next day, July 8, the chair of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, Trey Gowdy, accused Clinton of lying about not receiving a subpoena. Gowdy said in a statement: “The committee has issued several subpoenas, but I have not sought to make them public. I would not make this one public now, but after Secretary Clinton falsely claimed the committee did not subpoena her, I have no choice in order to correct the inaccuracy.”
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Aug 10 2016 04:53pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 10 2016 06:04pm)
The fact that you support Jackson's Indian relocation campaign should surprise me, it doesn't.

Let me say this clearly, you are human trash. I imagine that its people like you who write wartime propaganda pamphlets with a smile on your face.

As a christian I'm given a sinful amount of pleasure knowing you'll be subjected to an eternity of torture, or if I am wrong non-existence. I'm ashamed to say I hope for the torture.


Not an argument.
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Quote (stimpy6298 @ Aug 10 2016 11:33pm)
“Words matter, my friends,”
Clinton said at a rally in Des Moines, Iowa.
“If you are running to be president or you are president of the United States, words can have tremendous consequences"
Yep, "words can have tremendous consequences", for anybody & everybody, but... Hillary
Of course, Hillary just Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie:
The Quick List of Clinton’s Eight E-mail Lies
Actually, a truly quick list is not possible, because she told so many, so often. James Comey, the FBI director, said in a statement Tuesday that the FBI would not recommend Hillary Clinton for indictment for using a private e-mail address and server for work communication while secretary of state. But he also detailed the findings of the FBI investigation into Clinton’s private server — disproving several of eight major lies she has told multiple times since the investigation into her private server began. Here are those eight lies, debunked.

1. Lie: She didn’t send or receive any e-mails that were classified “at the time.” Clinton told this to reporters at a press conference March 10, 2015. She repeated it at an Iowa Democratic fundraiser July 25 and at a Democratic debate February 4, 2016. Once the investigation into Clinton’s e-mails began, the FBI began retroactively classifying some of the work-related e-mails she had released. So Clinton probably opted to dodge the issue by qualifying her statement, saying that no e-mails she sent were classified “at the time.” Truth: Comey said that the FBI found at least 110 e-mails that were classified at the time Clinton sent or received them — 52 e-mail chains in all, including eight Top Secret (the highest classification level) chains.

2. Lie: She didn’t send or receive any e-mails “marked classified” at the time. Clinton made this claim most recently July 3, 2016, on Meet the Press. She first made the claim August 26, 2015, at an Iowa news conference. She repeated it at Fox News town hall March 7, 2016; at a Democratic debate March 9; at a New York news conference March 1; and on Face the Nation May 8. Clinton again appeared to spin the facts emerging in the investigation. This time, she suggested that even if the FBI were now classifying some of her e-mails, she couldn’t be held responsible since the e-mails lacked any mark of classification at the time they were sent or received. Some wondered what she even meant by “marked” classified, while others pointed out that lack of markings was no defense for mishandling the information — which the secretary of state, of all people, should have judged to be sensitive. Truth: Comey confirmed suspicions about Clinton’s claim by noting that a “small number” of the e-mails were, in fact, marked classified. Moreover, he added: “Even if information is not marked ‘classified’ in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.”

3. Lie: She turned over all of her work-related e-mails. Clinton said this on MSNBC September 4, 2015; at a Fox News town hall March 7, 2016; and at a New York press conference March 10. It’s important to remember that Clinton made this claim about the 30,000 e-mails she and her attorneys chose to provide to the State Department. After turning over paper copies of these 30,000, she and her attorneys then unilaterally deleted another 32,000 that they deemed personal. Truth: The FBI found “thousands” of work-related e-mails other than those Clinton had provided; they were in various officials’ mailboxes and in the server’s slack space. Clinton’s attorneys “did not individually read the content of all of her e-mails,” Comey said. “Instead, they relied on header information and used search terms to try to find all work-related e-mails among the reportedly more than 60,000 total e-mails remaining on Secretary Clinton’s personal system in 2014.” Though Comey denied he saw evidence of ill intent, he said: It is highly likely their search terms missed some work-related e-mails, and that we later found them. . . . It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery. (Remember the “server-wipe” speculation?)

4. Lie: She wanted to use a personal e-mail account for convenience and simplicity, streamlining to one device. Clinton said she used one device on CNN July 7, 2015, and at a New York press conference March 10. Truth: Clinton used multiple servers, administrators, and mobile devices, including an iPad and a Blackberry, to access her e-mail on her personal domain. “As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways,” Comey explained. “Piecing all of that back together — to gain as full an understanding as possible of the ways in which personal e-mail was used for government work — has been a painstaking undertaking, requiring thousands of hours of effort.”

5. Lie: Clinton’s use of a private server and e-mail domain was permitted by law and regulation. Clinton made this claim in an interview on CNN July 7, 2015; in a campaign statement in July 2015; and at the Democratic primary debates in Las Vegas on October 13, 2015. Truth: No: A May report issued by the State Department’s inspector general found that it has been department policy since 2005 that work communication be restricted to government servers. While the IG allowed for occasional use of personal e-mail in emergencies, Clinton used her personal e-mail exclusively for all work communication.

6. Lie: All of Clinton’s e-mails were immediately captured by @.gov addresses. Clinton made this claim at a New York press conference May 10, 2015. Crucially, Clinton told reporters that she exclusively used her personal e-mail because she thought her messages were always saved in the e-mail threads of senior department officials who used @.gov accounts. Truth: The State Department did not begin automatically capturing and preserving e-mails until February 2015, two years after Clinton left the State Department.

7. Lie: There were numerous safeguards against security breaches and “no evidence” of hacking. Clinton made the “safeguards” claim at a New York press conference March 10, 2015, and her former tech aide made the “no evidence” claim March 3, 2016. Truth: Among the “safeguards” of Clinton’s server were Secret Service members — but this is no safeguard at all where the Internet is concerned. Further, Comey noted: None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government — or even with a commercial service like Gmail. Your Gmail account is more secure than Hillary’s personal e-mail. Which is to say: Your Gmail account is more secure than Hillary’s personal e-mail. There is some evidence of a possible breach. Comey said: Hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account. Clinton’s “no evidence” claim is less of a bald lie than a concealment of strong possibility. She also failed to report several hacking attempts.

8. Lie: Clinton was never served a subpoena on her e-mail use. Clinton said this in a CNN interview July 7, 2015. Truth: The next day, July 8, the chair of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, Trey Gowdy, accused Clinton of lying about not receiving a subpoena. Gowdy said in a statement: “The committee has issued several subpoenas, but I have not sought to make them public. I would not make this one public now, but after Secretary Clinton falsely claimed the committee did not subpoena her, I have no choice in order to correct the inaccuracy.”


So much plagiarism in one post.

Not even plagiarised from a decent source either. Just straight from extreme right wing sites.

Why not try politifact? It's much more reliable and honest in it's fact-checking.

I'm not saying Hillary hasn't lied, of course she has. But now you're lying about her lying so... I mean where are we on the moral compass when it comes to lying? Is it ok when you do it and not when she does or something? Honestly Hillary could lie about how many fingers she has and I'd still vote for her over Trump because at least she manages to keep any dangerous sociopathic tendencies closely hidden whereas Trump doesn't give a fuck. He's a maniac out in the open for everyone to see and a moron to boot.

If you think a clever psychopath is dangerous then you obviously haven't thought about the consequences of giving nuclear launch codes to a stupid one.

This post was edited by KublaiKhan on Aug 10 2016 05:02pm
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Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 10 2016 07:14am)
Its an old friend of Donald and "adviser", he's not employed by the campaign afaik. Funny how Trump has these people with no paper trail to the campaign saying outlandish things that he doesn't need to disavow because they aren't on the payroll...


This is why i say that the President is nothing more than a cheerleader to people at home about what to do and how to act, power is in the mind.

Quote (stimpy6298 @ Aug 10 2016 12:33pm)
“Words matter, my friends,”L
Clinton said at a rally in Des Moines, Iowa.

1. blah blah!
2. blah blah blah
3. blah
4. blah blah
5. blah blah blah?
6. blah blah blop bop
7. blah blah blah
8. wa wa wa wa


Im convinced, you can copy propaganda/paste bias quite well.



This post was edited by card_sultan on Aug 10 2016 05:09pm
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Aug 10 2016 05:20pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 18 2015 08:26am)
I'm seriously so sick of hearing about Trump already; he's a fringe candidate who stands no chance at getting the nomination. He's this year's Ron Paul (gets tons of attention on the internet but loses by a landslide).


ayyyyy
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Quote (Swxg @ 10 Aug 2016 15:20)
ayyyyy


Hey, finally, someone pointed out that the conventional wisdom on trump was wrong. Thank you for contributing.
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