Quote (IceMage @ Sep 9 2021 08:22pm)
The government has an interest in using levers of power to influence the behavior of adults who act like children, both for their own benefit, and for the benefit of society at large. Move to Somalia if you don't want to face consequences for being unvaccinated during a pandemic that has killed 650,000 Americans.
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 9 2021 08:38pm)
OSHA exists. You may not like the power it has, but Congress gave it that power. A new rule protecting the workplace from obstinate, lunatic antivaxxers is reasonable in the midst of a once-in-a-century pandemic. It's not a rule that requires people to have surgery to alter their reproductive capabilities... it's a rule that requires people to get a shot or two of a safe vaccine, if they wish to remain employed by the federal government or certain businesses. I think reasonable people can understand the difference between the two.
Then it should go without saying that the government should accept liability for the result. If the government wants you to vaccinate, and you do happen to die, it's fair to expect that the government provides an appropriate settlement. We can let the economists debate what the exact figure should be. But we can't have a situation where the government controls the decision and forces the liability onto citizens.
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 9 2021 08:49pm)
I don't think it needs to be so black and white. We live in a representative democracy and we allow our government to make these type of decisions for us.
So do the Australians, and yet I don't think that empowering authorities to police beer consumption is a productive way to organize society. There are consequences to infantilizing adults. Whether this is legal or not will be for the courts to decide, but we should exercise caution, because we aren't going to be able to go back from this.