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May 7 2022 01:58pm
So if I'm understanding the general sentiment here correctly, biology doesn't matter because it cannot fully determine conclusively "when human life begins" Is that about right?

Largely because this is more of a philosophical question than a scientific one. Is this about right?

*Sorry for all the questions, like I said, I'm trying to learn.

But hypothetically speaking, if biologists that are non religious determine that without a shadow of doubt that, scientifically speaking, life beings at conception, does that change any of your belief/stance on abortion?

This post was edited by Slowtoanger on May 7 2022 02:14pm
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May 7 2022 02:13pm
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So if I'm understanding the general sentiment here correctly, biology doesn't matter because it cannot fully determine conclusively "when human life begins" Is that about right?

Largely because this is more of a philosophical question than a scientific one. Is this about right?


an atheist value can only be asserted. the only condition that can be objectively true is might makes right.
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May 7 2022 02:16pm
Quote (TiStuff @ May 7 2022 01:13pm)
an atheist value can only be asserted. the only condition that can be objectively true is might makes right.


Sorry, I don't know if I fully understand what you're trying to say. Do you mind expanding it out a little bit more? (I don't want to misunderstand)
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May 7 2022 02:30pm
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Sorry, I don't know if I fully understand what you're trying to say. Do you mind expanding it out a little bit more? (I don't want to misunderstand)


I don't think he understands what he's trying to say, either. Basically word spaghetti.
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May 7 2022 04:17pm
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1523036388492337152

What's the liberal's definition of the line between 'hate rally targeting a religious minority' and 'pro-abortion protest'?
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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1523036388492337152

What's the liberal's definition of the line between 'hate rally targeting a religious minority' and 'pro-abortion protest'?


wow, ketanji brown jackson appears to be even more crazy than expected
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May 7 2022 05:02pm
Quote (Slowtoanger @ 7 May 2022 21:58)
So if I'm understanding the general sentiment here correctly, biology doesn't matter because it cannot fully determine conclusively "when human life begins" Is that about right?

Largely because this is more of a philosophical question than a scientific one. Is this about right?

*Sorry for all the questions, like I said, I'm trying to learn.

But hypothetically speaking, if biologists that are non religious determine that without a shadow of doubt that, scientifically speaking, life beings at conception, does that change any of your belief/stance on abortion?


what are you on about? there is no big disagreement amongst biologists regarding the science about the different stages from conception to birth. it's not some mysterious field that awaits exploration, or anything along those lines. the abortion question is not one that can be ultimately settled through scientific discovery. there is no revelation to be made that would genuinely shock or surprise either side. the whole "what's life?" narrative is merely a semantic distraction, an attempt by anti-choicers to appeal to emotions in order to tell women what they can and can't do.

modern secular societies overwhelmingly agree that up to a certain point into a pregnancy, usually around 22 weeks, a woman's right to bodily self-determination outweighs the "rights" of a zygote / fetus, or rather doesn't warrant the state intervening and infringing upon someone's private affairs. as we're approaching likely (50+ %) viability (around 24 weeks +), the question becomes more difficult and heavily depends on the circumstances - again, i'm talking about the consensus formed in the context of modern western legal, ethical, and medical considerations, not personal opinion.

the claim that religious (mostly, sure, there might be some self-proclaimed or actual atheists who are similarly deluded, but the main driver behind the anti-choice movement is religious fundamentalism) people make is that a zygote is already so worthy of their "protection", that it's justified to strip women of their autonomy, force them to go through the physical, psychological, and financial strains of a pregnancy, in order to live according to THEIR moral beliefs. most rational thinking people disagree with that demand - even those that, like me, don't like abortions as such.

in reality, it's even worse than that though: the anti-choice movement actively and vociferously (again, there are exceptions, but i'm talking about its main drivers and lawmakers) opposes measures that would prevent unwanted pregnancies, or support pregnant women medically, financially, and structurally in order to decrease the demand for abortions. if you paid ANY attention to this issue, you'd quickly realise that the whole talk about how "precious" life is, is nothing but empty rhetoric. their legislation exclusively focuses on trying to control women's bodies - but not valuing their lives, or even just that of children born to women who did not want a child at that particular point in their lives.

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May 7 2022 05:08pm
Quote (Slowtoanger @ May 7 2022 01:16pm)
Sorry, I don't know if I fully understand what you're trying to say. Do you mind expanding it out a little bit more? (I don't want to misunderstand)


if atheism is true (no God) and life is just a result of some kind of naturalistic random accidental process then wouldnt thoughts also be the result of some kind of random process?

darwin
"But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man’s mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey’s mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?"
(i used to put this quote on utube, it would get removed or shadow banned.)

do you find any reason anything would be objective in such a world other than "might makes right"?


Quote (Surfpunk @ May 7 2022 01:30pm)
I don't think he understands what he's trying to say, either. Basically word spaghetti.


the things you think are just the result of random chemical reactions? why should you or anyone else believe other wise?

(whos the faith creature?) :)

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Science doesn't have much say because the same groups that don't like abortion are the same groups that say evolution is false.

They don't actually care about science. When you're intimiately familiar with the stages of development you know there's absolutely no basis for a fertilized egg, or a blastocyst, or an embryo having human rights.

The absolute earliest you can make a cogent argument for while being familiar with development is like 15 weeks. Everything prior to that is theology actively overriding medical knowledge.

Nobody is saying a jar with a fertilized egg in it has the same value as a child. Nobody is legislating against IVF because it kills dozens more people than it conceives. Nobody is arguing that a child conceived on US soil can't be deported.

It's just shitty theology.


It is shitty theology lol.
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May 7 2022 06:05pm
Quote (TiStuff @ May 7 2022 04:08pm)
if atheism is true (no God) and life is just a result of some kind of naturalistic random accidental process then wouldnt thoughts also be the result of some kind of random process?

darwin
"But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man’s mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey’s mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?"
(i used to put this quote on utube, it would get removed or shadow banned.)

do you find any reason anything would be objective in such a world other than "might makes right"?


Pretty sure you don't understand both evolution and how the brain works here. I commend you for trying instead of spamming bitchute links though.
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