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Oct 21 2020 02:16pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 21 2020 04:08pm)
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/245.15

lets check the relevant law;



and

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article130.htm#p130.10


Honestly, if I'm reading the law correctly, there might be a loophole that you could argue that revenge porn laws haven't been violated as long as there's neither explicit nudity nor physical sexual contact nor penetration with a foreign object- even if the conduct filmed was obviously sexually explicit and compromising / intimate. Which goes against the whole spirit of the law Cuomo signed last year. Herp a derp.

Lets say a guy filmed his ex-girlfriend masturbating with a dildo, but the actual penetration was obscured by a conveniently located piece of furniture and she was wearing a top, so you just got the partial view of her orgasming. And then he shared that as revenge porn. Could he sneak by, saying that technically there's no sexual intercourse, oral contact, anal contact, foreign objects or physical contact with another person, nor explicit nudity?

I'm not sure that's a very good argument for outlets to share pics of Giuliani getting blueballed


Isn't this from a movie coming out in like a week? Pretty sure SBC gets everyone who is in his videos to sign release forms for the footage.

Someone tried to sue him for physical injuries (i think she was crippled?) from Bruno and even that case was thrown out because of it.

This post was edited by Mangix on Oct 21 2020 02:18pm
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Based on your feels how you want this to pan out? Based on Biden not acknowledging it? Based on the lack of MSM coverage?

It's a real possibility, especially so close to the election however lets wait a little longer and see what else gets leaked. Because right now you're just wishing things to be true.



This isn't your run of the mill TMZ-esque accusation of how the queen feels about Kate. Future president's son is implicated in possession of child porn. These pics either exist or they don't. We'll know one way or another soon enough. Some evidence has been presented with the text, no rebuttal, so why would I just reflexively discard the possibility like you're doing?


he's not discounting the possibility, he's saying it doesnt need to be addressed publicly when there's zero evidence. and that source is very much national enquirer in quality.

biden can do more damage acknowledging the claim than he can just shutting up, since there's zero evidence shown thusfar.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 21 2020 01:08pm)
Based on your feels how you want this to pan out? Based on Biden not acknowledging it? Based on the lack of MSM coverage?

It's a real possibility, especially so close to the election however lets wait a little longer and see what else gets leaked. Because right now you're just wishing things to be true.



This isn't your run of the mill TMZ-esque accusation of how the queen feels about Kate. Future president's son is implicated in possession of child porn. These pics either exist or they don't. We'll know one way or another soon enough. Some evidence has been presented with the text, no rebuttal, so why would I just reflexively discard the possibility like you're doing?


Well, the FBI is in possession of the alleged hard drive so I imagine Hunter will be prosecuted if the evidence points to wrongdoing. Isn't that what everyone should want? I expect credible news organizations to report on it once there's a modicum of evidence to suggest it's not bullshit. What am I wishing to be true? All I've seen are pictures of a handful of documents. Pictures that I could fake in 5 minutes. Most of us aren't Ghot and we expect a bit more to be convinced.

This is EXACTLY your run of the mill accusation though lol. Foxnews wouldn't even report on it b/c they said it wasn't credible! A lot of people at the Post are pissed too because they think it's bullshit and it's THEIR name that's going to be tarnished.
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Isn't this from a movie coming out in like a week? Pretty sure SBC gets everyone who is in his videos to sign release forms for the footage.


Considering the candid camera shot into a hotel room through a mirror, I'd say he might run into the limits of what a release form can do against 'reasonable expectation of privacy'
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Oct 21 2020 02:19pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 21 2020 03:08pm)
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/245.15

lets check the relevant law;



and

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article130.htm#p130.10


Honestly, if I'm reading the law correctly, there might be a loophole that you could argue that revenge porn laws haven't been violated as long as there's neither explicit nudity nor physical sexual contact nor penetration with a foreign object- even if the conduct filmed was obviously sexually explicit and compromising / intimate. Which goes against the whole spirit of the law Cuomo signed last year. Herp a derp.

Lets say a guy filmed his ex-girlfriend masturbating with a dildo, but the actual penetration was obscured by a conveniently located piece of furniture and she was wearing a top, so you just got the partial view of her orgasming. And then he shared that as revenge porn. Could he sneak by, saying that technically there's no sexual intercourse, oral contact, anal contact, foreign objects or physical contact with another person, nor explicit nudity?

I'm not sure that's a very good argument for outlets to share pics of Giuliani getting blueballed


any judge would rule an orgasm counts as sexually explicit material similar to nudity. its as compromising as nudity, moreso in some contexts.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 21 Oct 2020 13:57)
why specifically do black women scare u so much sir?


This comment right here tells me you have no actual interest in discussing politics or my views on them.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 21 2020 04:18pm)
Considering the candid camera shot into a hotel room through a mirror, I'd say he might run into the limits of what a release form can do against 'reasonable expectation of privacy'


Edited before your response - Someone tried to sue him for physical injuries (i think she was crippled?) from Bruno and even that case was thrown out because of it.

I would hope a lawyer is smart enough to not just sign away his rights like that though lol.
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Oct 21 2020 02:23pm
Quote (bodierox @ Oct 21 2020 03:20pm)
This comment right here tells me you have no actual interest in discussing politics or my views on them.


you're right, i just want to know what about black women scares you. is it the hair? the sassy attitude? weaves maybe?
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Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 21 2020 03:19pm)
any judge would rule an orgasm counts as sexually explicit material similar to nudity. its as compromising as nudity, moreso in some contexts.


so fondling one's genitals on camera would count, even if the genitals aren't explicitly visible?
Those are the actual legal definitions there on what 'sexually explicit material' means, and it requires either;

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(i) an unclothed or exposed intimate part of such other person; or

(ii) such other person engaging in sexual conduct as defined in subdivision ten of section 130.00 of this chapter with another person; and


I don't see how that bit leaves wiggle room for anyone wiggling their bits. If they're clothed and not exposing genitals, (i) doesn't apply. If its a solo act, (ii) doesn't apply.
Under those definitions, if CNN uploaded footage of Kamala Harris blowing a dildo, it wouldn't be protected.

Quote (Mangix @ Oct 21 2020 03:20pm)
Edited before your response - Someone tried to sue him for physical injuries (i think she was crippled?) from Bruno and even that case was thrown out because of it.

I would hope a lawyer is smart enough to not just sign away his rights like that though lol.


iirc that case had more to do with liability and lack of consequence. She got injured by her own clumsiness, with no causal relationship to SBC's actions.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Oct 21 2020 02:25pm
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Oct 21 2020 02:26pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 21 2020 03:24pm)
so fondling one's genitals on camera would count, even if the genitals aren't explicitly visible?
Those are the actual legal definitions there on what 'sexually explicit material' means, and it requires either;



I don't see how that bit leaves wiggle room for anyone wiggling their bits. If they're clothed and not exposing genitals, (i) doesn't apply. If its a solo act, (ii) doesn't apply.
Under those definitions, if CNN uploaded footage of Kamala Harris blowing a dildo, it wouldn't be protected.


i havent seen the actual video but touching your genitals =/= masturbation. i read the transcript to mean that thing dudes do to unstick it from their leg, specifically pre-sex, but not masturbating.

a woman masturbating to orgasm, a woman felating a dildo, etc, are a different thing. one is an overtly sexual behavior, the other ranges from a pre-coital non-sexual behavior to something a baseball player does 20x a game.
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