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Mar 10 2020 12:12pm
Quote (Crunkt @ Mar 10 2020 11:55am)
No Read the article the guy posted.

People can do both, but If you were to wash your hands with soap and water properly that would make using sanitizer obsolete because hand santizier doesnt do as good of a job anyway and washing with soap and water would catch anything that just sani would.

Think of it like a vaccuum. if you have a more efficient hose that can pull every and mroe than an other hose, then the secodn hose is obsolete and a waste of time and inefficient to use. cant make it any more clear.


yes that's correct. mostly my point is that hand sanitizer doesnt belong in the same category as say essential oils or other snake oil products people are claiming can fight corona. it's an inbetween product that people can use knowing it does do something, even if it doesnt make up for not washing hands.
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Quote (zarkadon @ Mar 10 2020 10:32am)
Yes, I'm aware of that, but it's not a big deal of a virus for the vast majority of the population anyway. Just isolate the vulnerable ones, and let the rest go on with their lives, if they want to.



I think we all have loved ones in the vulnerable age, and we don't want to put them under any risk. But the thing is, the economic consequences will be more damaging to the country than the deaths of some people that already had a short life exptancy left. The government needs to protect them by all the reasonable means possible, but not at the expense of ruining the economy or threatening our society's standard of life.

Millions of jobs destroyed, thousands of people losing their homes, health care and education budget cuts, etc.... that's a lot scarier than a virus that kills a tiny fraction of the population.

Again, think about it in war terms... we have no trouble sending dozens of thousands of our youths (the country's future) to danger zones when our national interests are seriously threatened, but we lose our shit when the lives of the elderly are at stake. It's irrational. Of course the government should do what it can to protect them, and instruct the citizens to take precautions in regards to the health of the elderly... but if they start introducing restrictions to economic activity, then the consequences are going to be terrible for everyone, and they will last years.

Honestly, I don't want to go back to 10 years ago, with a 28% unemployment, crazy budget cuts in health and education and public transport, streets full of windows with an "out of business sign" labeled on them, families not being able to pay their mortgages, etc. It has take my country a huge effort to get out of that, and our situation wasn't even comparable to that of Greece for example, that it would be irresponsible on the government's side to throw it all away over this fearmongering.


1. By not containing the virus and continuing with business as usual, millions of healthy younger people could be infected and would be out of work for 2 weeks each. Many would still be admitted to hospital and take up valuable resources
2. You can catch the virus again after recovering the first time. This makes it really important to stop the spread instead of 'letting' it fester among the population as the incidence of death AND economic consequences would be huge
3. We don't know the true mortality rate of the virus, it could be as high as 3 or 4%

You can't just separate the economic and health consequences on the population so casually. They are intrinsically related.
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Mar 10 2020 12:40pm
If there any tracker or info on the amount of tests done by each country ?
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Mar 10 2020 12:49pm
Listen to the guy who oversees the ICUs in Italy. Prolly last wake up call for countries that still don't get it.

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Quote (Djunior @ 10 Mar 2020 19:49)
Listen to the guy who oversees the ICUs in Italy. Prolly last wake up call for countries that still don't get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mrPHO-nkVE


This was good one, noticed that half of them are less than 65.

btw

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

looking for better trackers

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Mar 10 2020 01:17pm
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Mar 10 2020 08:09pm)
This was good one, noticed that half of them are less than 65.

btw

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

looking for better trackers


I don't know of a better tracker site but I like Medcram updates they give more in depth information regarding treatments

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Quote (zarkadon @ Mar 10 2020 03:32am)
Yes, I'm aware of that, but it's not a big deal of a virus for the vast majority of the population anyway. Just isolate the vulnerable ones, and let the rest go on with their lives, if they want to.



I think we all have loved ones in the vulnerable age, and we don't want to put them under any risk. But the thing is, the economic consequences will be more damaging to the country than the deaths of some people that already had a short life exptancy left. The government needs to protect them by all the reasonable means possible, but not at the expense of ruining the economy or threatening our society's standard of life.

Millions of jobs destroyed, thousands of people losing their homes, health care and education budget cuts, etc.... that's a lot scarier than a virus that kills a tiny fraction of the population.

Again, think about it in war terms... we have no trouble sending dozens of thousands of our youths (the country's future) to danger zones when our national interests are seriously threatened, but we lose our shit when the lives of the elderly are at stake. It's irrational. Of course the government should do what it can to protect them, and instruct the citizens to take precautions in regards to the health of the elderly... but if they start introducing restrictions to economic activity, then the consequences are going to be terrible for everyone, and they will last years.

Honestly, I don't want to go back to 10 years ago, with a 28% unemployment, crazy budget cuts in health and education and public transport, streets full of windows with an "out of business sign" labeled on them, families not being able to pay their mortgages, etc. It has take my country a huge effort to get out of that, and our situation wasn't even comparable to that of Greece for example, that it would be irresponsible on the government's side to throw it all away over this fearmongering.


what a long winded bunch of BS. This isn't a war it is something we can control. How does it feel to care less about your vulnerable citizens than Communist China?
FU And there was never 28% unemployment 10 years ago. that would be higher than the great DEPRESSION. I'm sure you are going to say the "reported the numbers differently etc. "
no wonder this country can't find its way out of any crisis. Too many stupid people.
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Mar 10 2020 02:11pm
Covid19 pneumonia survivor in Wuhan

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Quote (Djunior @ Mar 10 2020 03:11pm)
Covid19 pneumonia survivor in Wuhan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9oqvJ3iXGI



"How I survived a disease with a 98% survival rate"
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Quote (Djunior @ Mar 11 2020 07:11am)
Covid19 pneumonia survivor in Wuhan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9oqvJ3iXGI


At a guess id say by being under the age of 60.
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