Just admit you're wrong, you doof. You sound like eric cartman.

Don't make me make you eat your parents

Come on.

There were a myriad of reasons for why Obama shouldn't have made the deal. The Iranian economy was collapsing. Sanctions were being upheld. Domestic unrest was spiraling out of the regime's control. But fine, Obama went ahead under the premise that Iran could be brought back into the international fold as a responsible member of that community. It's not necessarily bad to bet on a promising outcome, but when ballistics testing goes ahead, when Iran doubles down on regional hegemony, infiltrates foreign governments, installs proxies in positions of power, and destabilizes the entire region, it's time to face the music and fold.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Jan 11 2020 11:17pm

Obama's Iran Deal should have never happened. It was technically a treaty and should have required a 2/3 consent vote in the Senate.

That said, it was an overall good deal. The deal reduced Iran's centrifuges to 25% of their full capacity for 10 years, reduced their uranium by 98%, limited plutonium production, and allowed for international inspection.

Bitch about the cash payment all you want, but now we don't have anything in place. Trump should have at least leveraged a "better deal" before scrapping the old one. It was a damage control deal, now we don't have shit.

It was a deal to lull the West into a false sense of security and sleep better at night. it would have led to the North Korea development 2.0: after 10 to 15 years, they suddenly announce to the world that they now have nukes, and everybody wonders how the hell that happened... with the difference being that Iran isnt isolationist and instead likes to destabilize its neighborhood.

There are arguments that could be made for or against the Iran Deal. There was that logic of figuring maybe Iran going nuclear is inevitable, maybe the costs to stop it are too high, maybe we can do more to pressure and manipulate them if we bring them closer to the US sphere of influence and fold them into the international community instead of being a pariah state. Maybe leveraging the weakened and overextended Saudi geopolitical / oil market position in order to build up a relationship with Iran at the one time the Saudis couldn't push back, letting us play Sunni and Shia against each other to our benefit.

All of that logic should have been thrown right out the window on the relatively simple political calculation that no matter whether you think the Iran Deal was a good or bad idea, it wasn't going to survive whoever won in 2016, and a failed and rescinded Iran Deal is far worse than having no deal at all. Obama already knew Hillary and all the Republicans were hostile to the deal and looking for reasons to tear it up, and Obama wasn't about to win a 3rd term in office. Unless he seriously thought Joe Biden was going to carry on his legacy in 2016, despite knowing about Hillary's inevitability, there was no scenario where the Iran Deal stuck. A unillateral executive action without support in congress, without strong support from his own party, opposed by every potential future executive? It was DOA.

Perhaps he thought that the deal would prove its worth until 2017 when his successor takes over, and that someone like Hillary or a cookie cutter Republican would in the end shy away from rescinding it. He surely didnt anticipate that Iran would use all the freed up resources from the lifted sanctions to fuel its proxy wars in the region instead of building up its country...

You have no room to talk bro, you voted and still support Eric Cartman.

He's supporting Mr. ... Ms. ... Mx Garrison.

you just cant stop repeating those lazy neocon talking points in order to discredit a deal that was internationally considered a milestone in diplomacy with iran, put a stop to their nuclear program (as confirmed by the IAEA), and that even trump's own foreign policy and military advisors told him not to just unilaterally pull out of, huh?
cultists gonna cult...