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Apr 2 2016 10:32pm
Quote (Nathan @ Apr 2 2016 09:28pm)
What you're saying isn't wrong, both that overeating simple carbs will make weight gain more likely and that "most people cannot commit if not for ethical reasons" (Really depends on what you mean more specifically here).

But I don't see how that supports the notion that vegan diets aren't the most healthy, as the former can happen just as well with any diet, and the latter doesn't describe what happens for people who do stick to it, this considered alongside the fact that it actually becomes harder to overeat (and thus face overweight and obesity-related consequences) and lower instances of heart disease and various degenerative diseases.


I guess the extent that I'd be willing to agree with that is that if you take an average person with fairly poor nutritional knowledge and force them to go vegan without them ever doing any research beforehand or ever doing any after the fact, they will probably be unhealthier.
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What you're saying isn't wrong, both that overeating simple carbs will make weight gain more likely and that "most people cannot commit if not for ethical reasons" (Really depends on what you mean more specifically here).

But I don't see how that supports the notion that vegan diets aren't the most healthy, as the former can happen just as well with any diet, and the latter doesn't describe what happens for people who do stick to it, this considered alongside the fact that it actually becomes harder to overeat (and thus face overweight and obesity-related consequences) and lower instances of heart disease and various degenerative diseases.


It's unhealthy because of nutritional inefficiency. Many proteins found from vegan sources are incomplete. It is often advised that switching to vegan diets that you consult with a doctor. It has to be carefully managed lest you deprive your body of key nutrients! It is also very easy to overheat on a vegan diet if you gorge yourself on pasta every night.

The diet I advocate is not to be confused with the average diet. We can eat the same vegetables, but we simply replace the "filler" calories with fat instead of carbs. The lack of bread eliminates the risk of spiking one's blood sugar where a vegan diet does not. An ethical vegan could easily compromise one's health if not careful. And many vegans will and do consume the dangerous hydrogenated oils and other unsafe vegetable oils. They may do so eating a plate of 2000 calorie appetizing zucchini planks. Not anyone on my diet. Saturated animal fats only. Oils that are not chemically derived and that can be extracted with nothing more than a press such as olives and peanuts, still not ideal.
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Apr 2 2016 10:51pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Apr 3 2016 04:30am)
I eat the shit outta sweet potatoes

I'm probably a gonner


Stay active and work out. Your glycogen reserves being full is what makes carbs so dangerous. And the danger is developing diabeties and obesity. And diabetics lose limbs if not properly cared for. It takes a long time, but it will catch up with you.
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Stay active and work out. Your glycogen reserves being full is what makes carbs so dangerous. And the danger is developing diabeties and obesity. And diabetics lose limbs if not properly cared for. It takes a long time, but it will catch up with you.


I dunno what your background in this or what your lifestyle is. Are you a lifter?

just curious

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Quote (IceMage @ Apr 3 2016 12:01am)
I can understand when a city bans smoking from restaurants, but banning smoking from bars is downright blasphemous.


Hey! I binge drink daily and refuse to be affected by your health hazard
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Quote (Beowulf @ Apr 3 2016 04:55am)
I dunno what your background in this or what your lifestyle is. Are you a lifter?

just curious


I used to. I mostly just do maintenance to keep what I have.
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It's unhealthy because of nutritional inefficiency. Many proteins found from vegan sources are incomplete. It is often advised that switching to vegan diets that you consult with a doctor. It has to be carefully managed lest you deprive your body of key nutrients! It is also very easy to overheat on a vegan diet if you gorge yourself on pasta every night.

The diet I advocate is not to be confused with the average diet. We can eat the same vegetables, but we simply replace the "filler" calories with fat instead of carbs. The lack of bread eliminates the risk of spiking one's blood sugar where a vegan diet does not. An ethical vegan could easily compromise one's health if not careful. And many vegans will and do consume the dangerous hydrogenated oils and other unsafe vegetable oils. They may do so eating a plate of 2000 calorie appetizing zucchini planks. Not anyone on my diet. Saturated animal fats only. Oils that are not chemically derived and that can be extracted with nothing more than a press such as olives and peanuts, still not ideal.


What nutrition inefficiency? Like I said, in every professional sport, including power lifting, there are vegans. You can get an appropriate amount of protein on a vegan diet.

America should consult with a doctor about their current diets, because our #1 killer is heart disease. Like I said, people who switch to a vegan diet need to eat enough and supplement with B12. No vegan would advocate eating a bunch of pasta every day... that's not a healthy alternative to the SAD.

Saturated animal fats are not good for you. Oils in general are not optimal for health, but a vegan diet with moderate oils is better than a meat eating diet with moderate oils.

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Apr 3 2016 08:40am
Your body is built to digest saturated animal fats.
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Apr 3 2016 09:33am
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Where does your intense interest in shaming overweight people come from?
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