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Aug 31 2020 06:22pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 31 Aug 2020 18:58)
Democrats in 2020: "Math is a cult. Orange man bad"



to be fair they started that in 2015
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Aug 31 2020 06:34pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 1 Sep 2020 02:21)
You don't live with stage 4 cancer for years. In most cases you don't even live with it for one year.


In this generality, that's just wrong. Any cancer that has metastasized to distant organs is classified as stage 4, and some few forms can be kept in check for quite some years with state-of-the-art treatment - even if they cant be fully cured, as seems to have been the case with Cain.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain#Health_and_death
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In 2006, Cain was diagnosed with Stage IV colon cancer and metastases to his liver and was given a 30 percent chance of survival. Cain underwent surgery and chemotherapy following the diagnosis, after which the cancer was subsequently reported to be in remission


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/docs-herman-cains-cancer-is-not-disqualifying-83826/
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Herman Cain was diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer in March 2006. “I had it in my colon and my liver — stage IV,” the GOP presidential candidate said in a speech last year. “And to quote my first surgeon: ‘That’s as bad as it gets.'” His second surgeon gave him a slightly rosier outlook, telling Cain: “You have a five percent chance of even being alive three years from now.”

At the time, the pessimism was warranted. “Five or six years ago stage IV colon cancer was a lethal disease,” says Luis Diaz MD, an assistant professor of oncology at Johns Hopkins. But Cain took advantage of cutting-edge advances in surgery and chemotherapy — treatments that have since become standard — to aggressively treat the disease over the course of nine months. He underwent two rounds of chemo and a six-and-a-half hour surgery that removed 30 percent of his colon and 70 percent of his liver.

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Aug 31 2020 06:37pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 31 2020 07:34pm)
In this generality, that's just wrong. Any cancer that has metastasized to distant organs is classified as stage 4, and some few forms can be kept in check for quite some years with state-of-the-art treatment - even if they cant be fully cured, as seems to have been the case with Cain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain#Health_and_death

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/docs-herman-cains-cancer-is-not-disqualifying-83826/


If somebody goes into remission we don't say they still have stage 4 cancer. We'd say they were a stage 4 cancer survivor.
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Aug 31 2020 06:48pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 1 Sep 2020 02:37)
If somebody goes into remission we don't say they still have stage 4 cancer. We'd say they were a stage 4 cancer survivor.


Fine, but like I said, there exist forms of metastases that can be kept in check for years with the proper treatment.

Anyway, Cain underwent a huge surgery, losing 30% of his colon and 70% of his liver. Iirc, if you lose over half of your liver in a hepatectomy, the liver wont be able to regenerate back to its full previous capacity. Based on those two facts alone, it seems reasonable to assume that his health status was always dicey.
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Aug 31 2020 07:07pm
PaRD: where something as bizarre as Herman Cain dying from COVID after downplaying it on Twitter and then once in the grave having his Twitter account used as a platform to spread information about how COVID isn't serious, results in arguments from Trump cultists defending those ideas by explaining how Herman was in poor health already.

Might be time for another break.
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Aug 31 2020 07:08pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 31 2020 07:48pm)
Fine, but like I said, there exist forms of metastases that can be kept in check for years with the proper treatment.

Anyway, Cain underwent a huge surgery, losing 30% of his colon and 70% of his liver. Iirc, if you lose over half of your liver in a hepatectomy, the liver wont be able to regenerate back to its full previous capacity. Based on those two facts alone, it seems reasonable to assume that his health status was always dicey.


Yeah, I was only commenting on the terminology.
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Aug 31 2020 07:09pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 31 2020 04:01pm)
He had been living with stage IV cancer for 14 years by the time he died. His health status was very poor and vulnerable to begin with, and is not representative or suited to make inferences about the deadliness of the virus.
Still tasteless and a bad look, they should stop it. :rolleyes:


death stats are not observation of severity they are -- # killed by.
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Aug 31 2020 07:14pm
Quote (IceMage @ 1 Sep 2020 03:07)
PaRD: where something as bizarre as Herman Cain dying from COVID after downplaying it on Twitter and then once in the grave having his Twitter account used as a platform to spread information about how COVID isn't serious, results in arguments from Trump cultists defending those ideas by explaining how Herman was in poor health already.

Might be time for another break.


There's a difference between arguing that covid isnt serious, and arguing that it is not as serious as purported by alarmist voices in the media.

Similarly, it should be noncontroversial that you cannot credibly infer the deadliness of a disease from one data point who, on top, happened to be an outlier. The fact that Cain died from covid does not contradict the idea that covid might perhaps not be as deadly as initially thought (according to the most recent info from the CDC).
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Aug 31 2020 07:33pm


Even more important... I just noticed that the animal representing the Democrats is a... jackass. :unsure:
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Aug 31 2020 07:42pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 31 2020 06:33pm)
Even more important... I just noticed that the animal representing the Democrats is a... jackass. :unsure:


Yep, named for Andrew Jackson, Trump's favorite president.
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