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Blaming Clinton for Iraq is like blaming your mom because she loaned you the car that you wrapped around a tree.

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Aug 9 2016 01:17am)

Blaming Clinton for Iraq is like blaming your mom because she loaned you the car that you wrapped around a tree.

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If you look at his wife, she was standing there, she had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. You tell me. I’d like to hear his wife say something

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As other members of families who’ve lost loved ones have said, that's not what they heard. {Her story about the mohamed cartoon video} I don't hold any ill feeling for someone who, in that moment, may not fully recall everything that was or wasn't said.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 9 2016 02:30am)

She was drinking in the back seat while bush was at the wheel, open bottle is irresponsible enough for me, and she's a bad enough woman driver the next five times she hopped in a car she totaled them all
When it comes to foreign policy, I'd take away her keys

Quote (card_sultan @ Aug 9 2016 01:49am)

She did a great job at preventing WW3, if Trump ever get his tiny hands/huge ego/childish temper on the button, we're all doomed.

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But Adm. Robert Willard, then the Pacific commander, wanted to send the carrier on a more aggressive course, into the Yellow Sea, between North Korea and China. The Chinese foreign ministry had warned the United States against the move, which for Willard was all the more reason to press forward. He pushed the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen, who in turn pushed his boss, the defense secretary, to reroute the George Washington. Gates agreed, but he needed the commander in chief to sign off on a decision that could have political as well as military repercussions.

Gates laid out the case for diverting the George Washington to the Yellow Sea: that the United States should not look as if it was yielding to China. Clinton strongly seconded it. “We’ve got to run it up the gut!” she had said to her aides a few days earlier. (The Vince Lombardi imitation drew giggles from her staff, who, even 18 months into her tenure, still marveled at her pugnacity.)

Obama, though, was not persuaded. The George Washington was already underway; changing its course was not a decision to make on the fly.

“I don’t call audibles with aircraft carriers,” he said — unwittingly one-upping Clinton on her football metaphor.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 9 2016 02:50am)

:thumbsup:

Quote (card_sultan @ Aug 9 2016 02:17am)

Sound like they were carrying out the "Walk softly and carry a big stick" Foreign Policy rationale, you dont need to avoid conflict in order to avert disaster. Its an every changing balancing act, almost like a dance.

Quote (Beowulf @ Aug 8 2016 01:31pm)

He's definitely good at chucking babies out when the place isn't on fire