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Sep 8 2021 06:37pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 8 Sep 2021 17:26)
If it's past phase 3 trials and has millions of doses administered then it's not "experimental". There's a place where the line could be blurry for "experimental" or not, but this isn't one of them.


If you have no data on mid to long term effects, it's experimental. The fact that you've passed efficacy trials and "immediate effect" trials does not a safe drug make.

This is why the standard "to market" time for a new type of drug ranges from 5 to 20 years. 5 years (mid term) provides the basis for at least believing there will be limited to no long term effects. 20 years pretty well solidifies the thought. mRNA vaccines have neither.
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Sep 8 2021 06:38pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Sep 8 2021 04:57pm)
this pandemic is so bad that you have to resort to authoritarian bullshit for people to take a jab :rofl:

says it really


Sometimes you have to do what's best for society. If you can't handle freedom responsibly, it gets taken away. There's a reason why it's illegal in YOUR country to wave the Nazi flag whereas we're allowed to wave it proudly at Trump rallies here. We can handle that freedom responsibly, whereas you can't.

Quote (excellence @ Sep 8 2021 04:51pm)
government demanding people to do or not do things. oh that’s persuasive and effective. like when they banned alcohol. or had “separate but equal” (which theyre trying to being back)


It absolutely can be effective. There's a reason why I don't post on jsp at work because there's a possibility that I'll lose my job.
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Sep 8 2021 06:41pm
if i have my facts in order it is no surprise that they are ramming and jamming as fast as the can to jab as many people as possible.
flu season starts in about 2 months.
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Sep 8 2021 06:41pm
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 8 2021 05:38pm)
Sometimes you have to do what's best for society.


Except that you think forcing people to get jabbed is "what's best for society", whereas I think NOT forcing people to be jabbed is what's best for society.

So who should people listen to?

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If you can't handle freedom responsibly, it gets taken away.


1. Prove that people aren't handling freedom responsibly.
2. Prove that when people can't handle freedom responsibly, it needs to be taken away.

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Sep 8 2021 06:45pm
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There's a reason why I don't post on jsp at work because there's a possibility that I'll lose my job.


All this tells reasonable people is that you have no principles. You cannot be trusted to do the right thing without somebody hovering with a big stick.

I don't take phones into work. I resist any attempt for employers to insist I should have a phone at work, unless they're willing to provide the phone. I'm being paid to do my job. Posting on JSP, playing on phones, or hanging around is not what I contracted for.

The fact that you've willingly engaged in a mutual contract, where you provide a service and in return are provided a rate of pay, but instead you fuck around and still expect the same rate of pay says a lot of negative about you personally. It says nothing about the need to dictate what others do.

And let's be real here: Comparing an employment contract with government mandates is the most stupid, boneheaded garbage nonsense ever. The government doesn't "allow us" to do anything. We PAY the government to work for US. WE THE PEOPLE are the funders of our governments, not the other way around. When they step outside their mandated duties and authorities, they need to be fired and/or held in criminal contempt.
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Sep 8 2021 06:47pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 8 2021 05:45pm)

We PAY the government to work for US. WE THE PEOPLE are the funders of our governments, not the other way around. When they step outside their mandated duties and authorities, they need to be fired and/or held in criminal contempt.


This, one hundred times.

I really admire you, sir. I know I said that in another thread but I want to say it again.
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Sep 8 2021 09:07pm
Quote (thundercock @ 8 Sep 2021 20:38)
Sometimes you have to do what's best for society. If you can't handle freedom responsibly, it gets taken away. There's a reason why it's illegal in YOUR country to wave the Nazi flag whereas we're allowed to wave it proudly at Trump rallies here. We can handle that freedom responsibly, whereas you can't.



It absolutely can be effective. There's a reason why I don't post on jsp at work because there's a possibility that I'll lose my job.

shitposting on a video game forum is slightly different than banning commerce or requiring people to surrender their self-determination (even if their decision to do so is folly)
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Sep 8 2021 09:10pm
Can we just all appreciate how much of a brain dead donkey Biden is. So senile and full of shit the white house probably has to change his diaper 12 times aday.
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Sep 8 2021 10:15pm
Quote (Bchat @ 8 Sep 2021 23:10)
Can we just all appreciate how much of a brain dead donkey Biden is. So senile and full of shit the white house probably has to change his diaper 12 times aday.

funny post, but no one eats that much ice cream
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Sep 9 2021 12:00am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 8 2021 05:45pm)
All this tells reasonable people is that you have no principles. You cannot be trusted to do the right thing without somebody hovering with a big stick.

I don't take phones into work. I resist any attempt for employers to insist I should have a phone at work, unless they're willing to provide the phone. I'm being paid to do my job. Posting on JSP, playing on phones, or hanging around is not what I contracted for.

The fact that you've willingly engaged in a mutual contract, where you provide a service and in return are provided a rate of pay, but instead you fuck around and still expect the same rate of pay says a lot of negative about you personally. It says nothing about the need to dictate what others do.

And let's be real here: Comparing an employment contract with government mandates is the most stupid, boneheaded garbage nonsense ever. The government doesn't "allow us" to do anything. We PAY the government to work for US. WE THE PEOPLE are the funders of our governments, not the other way around. When they step outside their mandated duties and authorities, they need to be fired and/or held in criminal contempt.


I disagree. Humans should be free until they can no longer be trusted. Do you trust me with nuclear weapons? No? Then there should be a law against it. Many Americans have shown that they can't be trusted to act in the common good and they must be punished for it. It's really that simple. Do you think we would have won WW2 if we had a bunch of whiny snowflakes crying about "the draft?" White culture has gotten so toxic that we simply need to nudge folks in the right direction with a good ol' cattle prod. We'll all be better off for it.
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