Quote (Pollster @ Aug 8 2016 06:58pm)

Well I guess it's a good thing that you simply saying something is a lie doesn't just magically make it a lie, then.



It might be impossible to respond to this without dealing with the deep-seated issues like delusion, but this might be the only way:

The Republicans benefit from having an echo-chamber that they've spent 30 years cultivating in wingnut radio and Faux News. They're the only party that has a major broadcast network that serves as an arm of a political party, where the network exists solely as a delivery system for the party's talking points to its voting base. Even if the wider media was "lying" about Trump (they aren't) and were doing so to help Clinton (they aren't), Trump would still have the same exact option available to him that Mitt Romney had (and which he perfected) -- just have you, your surrogates, and your campaign go on Fox every single day, and the network will carry the water for you and regurgitate your message to your voters exactly how you want them to hear it. The same thing will be going on during drive-time on wingnut radio.

The fact that Trump can't make this work speaks to his weaknesses. He could do the exact same thing that Romney did: tell two different things to two different audiences: give his real message to the head-nodders at Fox, while going through the motions with the rest of the media. If the rest of the media caught him lying, or hit him hard with a fact check or footage of his gaffe, he'd just disengage with all of them and narrow-focus back to Fox. This was just four years ago. But Trump won't try this, he refuses to give up the attention.

Quote (Skinned @ Aug 8 2016 06:35pm)

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/08/politics/republican-national-security-letter-donald-trump-election-2016/index.html

Ouch.

Quote (Pollster @ Aug 8 2016 04:58pm)

They're the only party that has a major broadcast network that serves as an arm of a political party, where the network exists solely as a delivery system for the party's talking points to its voting base.

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Even if the wider media was "lying" about Trump (they aren't) and were doing so to help Clinton (they aren't)

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Trump would still have the same exact option available to him that Mitt Romney had (and which he perfected) -- just have you, your surrogates, and your campaign go on Fox every single day, and the network will carry the water for you and regurgitate your message to your voters exactly how you want them to hear it. The same thing will be going on during drive-time on wingnut radio.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 8 2016 03:39pm)

As an example here's a story from 3 weeks ago.

We needed to do Dynamic Light Scattering (DLS) to get particle sizes of some quantum dots we synthesized. I spent a week reading all the material on DLS technique I could find and familiarizing myself with the software.

She insists on having a "DLS pow wow" where she shows the group how to use the instrument.

The FIRST THING she does is grab the DLS standard and shakes the piss out of the bottle......

Shaking your sample is the #1 thing you will read on why you get crappy data out of DLS. I told her "STOP SHAKING THAT!" and she responds by telling me "I'm sure it will be fine, don't worry" .......

That's the 5th or 6th time she's made a total amateur mistake when showing me something, except usually the end result is that it costs me a lot more time troubleshooting and reading to find what is wrong with the procedure.

Quote (Goomshill @ 8 Aug 2016 19:50)

No they aren't. CNN and NBC aren't PBS and the BBC. Fox's blatant republican bias is like NBC's blatant democrat bias.



They don't need to lie, they merely need to operate as a spin machine stretching everything he says.
We just had a weeklong news cycle about how Trump was "racist and hateful to grieving parents of a hero", when what Trump actually said was pretty unremarkable and not newsworthy.
The media is happy to compare trump to hitler seven days of the week, throw every terrible label at him and not even pretend to be unbiased.



The media wasn't slandering romney like it was trump. Holds were barred and punches pulled.

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Quote (excellence @ Aug 8 2016 07:27pm)

Romney refused to swing. struck out looking on 3 pitches.
Msm loves a stationary target. When one actually counters their nasty little claws actually come out.
Hell even the NYT and LA Times admit the media bias and blame the orange meanie who says uncomfortable truths for it.

Quote (Goomshill @ 8 Aug 2016 22:02)

Hillary laid an obvious bait and trump didn't properly deflect it, but he didn't bite into it either. Yet the media immediately dogpiled him as if he had called khan a sandnigger and his family camel cunts. I was legitimately surprised after the first day of reporting when I actually bothered to read past the headlines and learned trump hadn't actually said anything objectionable, though I had started to suspect it since I figured if he had, I'd see his quotation splashed on every news media.

What I think stands out from that exchange is that hillary doesn't need her dirty tricks to strike home to actually get traction, something rove could only have wet dreams about. With the media on her side, trump didn't even make it a day past the start of the general election race before getting skewered. What swift boats or black babies or truthers or kenyan garb photos could compare to the railroad trump is in for?