Quote (dro94 @ May 29 2024 07:13pm)
Well, technically every region of the UK excluding London and the South East get wealth redistributed to them. A Londoner only receives 74p in their public services for every pound they put in, South East about 85p, whereas regions like the NW and SW get 1.10 and then the devolved nations get 1.15-1.20. It's not parasitic of those regions, it's just evidence that we need to do better in levelling up while also not just bashing London for being better.
I think what would genuinely worry me if I was a pro-independence Scottish voter is that the SNP can't organise a piss-up in a brewery, so successfully navigating leaving the UK would be impossible, even if it's possible (but still extremely challenging) for a competent government to do it. It would be a very tough few years being outside the EU, what with a new currency, a hard border with its largest trading partner (rest of UK) and having to take on huge amounts of debt owed to Westminster. Ironically, it would be like a second Brexit.
In your position, I could see going Labour because they'd be better for Scotland as well as the country overall in the short - medium term, but I can also see that being difficult to do when you're ideologically fixated on a single issue they fundamentally oppose. At least Labour does care about Scotland, whereas the Conservatives could not give a shit about anyone outside the M25.
Sure its a concern. But you say that as if your confident that the Tories are more useful than an ashtray on a motorbike. They are just, not.
Do we really need to mention Liz Truss? Or big liar pant Boris. What about Jeremy Corbyn's plan to disband the military?
Labour aren't exactly great either. Their just the less worse centrist option.
Your conjecture about independence is possible. The only worry for any Scot is not about what an independence would look like, because lets be honest. Brexit has been a disaster and consecutive Westminster governments have let Scotland down.
The only worry is not worry at all but a bitterness that the oil wealth of the North Sea, instead of going in a sovereign wealth fund like Norway. Which you may know is $1.6 trillion currently.
The wealth went to multi-national oil companies and to funding wars in Iraq, Afghan, Libya, Syria, the Falklands for fuck sake and for oppressing the Irish republicanism in northern Ireland.
If you asked a majority of Scots which they would have prefered in hindsight. 1.6 trillion or a collection of wars that surmount to the British government attempting to remain relative globally after its empire crumbled post WW2.
I'm fairly certain the frugal Scots would bite your hand of for even half the 1.6 trillion dollars.
There are 5.5 million people in Scotland compared to England's 55 million yet 90% of the oil was considered to be in Scottish territory.
If independence had occurred London would be paying for Scottish oil and every time we lost a football match we'd double the price
We'd have needed to spend billions rebuilding Hadrian's wall and keeping the boats of English migrants from entering our gold plated beachfronts.
But at least now we got highspeed rail from London to Birmingham, thats a real boost.
This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on May 29 2024 12:31pm