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Quote (Skinned @ 31 Jan 2020 13:50)
He clearly does not want to be associated with the cover up.


Cover up? What of? A book’s manuscript that apparently every media source in the United States has access to lmao
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Jan 31 2020 01:31pm
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Again, the republicans admit it was not a witch hunt, they just disagree whether it is impeachable.


Quote (Ghot @ Jan 31 2020 03:49am)
No the Republicans didn't admit is was not a witch hunt. There's no doubt it was a witch hunt.
Trump admitted he did it long ago. His point and that of the Republican Senators is that what he did was not illegal.


That's a distinction without a difference. You're using different words to effectively say the same thing Plaguefear did, while telling him he's wrong.

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Hey, for all you really intelligent people that waste your time watching this shit. Can anyonetell me if Trump is still the president or not? Thanks.
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That's a distinction without a difference. You're using different words to effectively say the same thing Plaguefear did, while telling him he's wrong.

https://data.whicdn.com/images/47193215/original.jpg



Notice the word "didn't" in where you quoted me.
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Jan 31 2020 01:37pm
https://twitter.com/Static_Waste/status/1223328779621359616

also pretty sure the mar-a-lago boogaloo is nothing based on this
Sounds like police tried to stop the vehicle in traffic first, maybe on a traffic offense or stolen vehicle or bad license or whatever, and then it rammed through the security checkpoints, got shot at, and fled.
Most likely mundane criminals
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Quote (Goomshill @ 31 Jan 2020 14:37)
https://twitter.com/Static_Waste/status/1223328779621359616

also pretty sure the mar-a-lago boogaloo is nothing based on this
Sounds like police tried to stop the vehicle in traffic first, maybe on a traffic offense or stolen vehicle or bad license or whatever, and then it rammed through the security checkpoints, got shot at, and fled.
Most likely mundane criminals



It was Schiff’s doing. Thus per his own standards he has to fully absolve himself of instigating or encouraging or even remotely being tied to this behavior otherwise he must be removed from officr
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Quote (Goomshill @ 31 Jan 2020 11:42)
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/480863-murkowski-to-vote-against-witnesses-dashing-democrats-hopes-of-extending

womp womp
Murkowski is a no vote, making it 51-49 barring any unexpected defections, and not even putting the whiff of the buck on justice roberts.


I was thinking today that after following both the Trump 'Ukraine' scandal and Ilhan Omar 'everything' scandal for a while, that when juxtaposed it really shows just how demented this affair has been. Everything in the house and senate trial has boiled down to "Media group A reports they have a source B with knowledge that person C witnessed person D talk to Trump and gain insight into his motives" or something thereabouts. That's what constitutes a 'bombshell'. The 'whistleblower' claimed that he heard from another person who reviewed the transcript. This morning the NYT tried very hard to inject some lifeblood at all into the withering impeachment by saying that their source claims Bolton's book says that Cipollone was in the room when Trump told Bolton to tell Zelensky that he should talk to Giuliani, or something like that. And apparently that means something. Like that scene from Spaceballs. And the big star witness that democrats want to call is a guy they think can testify that Trump told him about his motives, so even if the facts remain the same scant details, they could show corrupt motive. Meanwhile in following the Omar scandal, there's an allegation she committed perjury because we have her writing on a document under penalty of perjury saying she had no contact with a guy, and also have pictures of her with that guy and social media messages between them. We have an allegation she committed tax fraud because we have her tax returns filed jointly with a man she wasn't married to, and a marriage certificate to another man. An allegation she committed campaign finance violations because we have the receipts. Etc etc.

Like those words of Paul Wellstone's speech 20 years ago I love to copy and paste so much, an impeachment is supposed to be a higher bar than a criminal trial, because it puts not just the guilt or innocence of one man to the crucible, but the fate of the entire executive branch of government. Its supposed to not just raise beyond reasonable doubts, but be strong and unambiguous in fact and in law, requiring overwhelming support of the Senate and illegitimate if driven solely on partisan lines. As the old wendy's commercial put it, "Where's the beef?"


I'd say the President does deserve more attention than a House rep. That said, I fully believe we should hold all elected officials accountable and responsible.

I don't think we should go out of our way to protect any of them much when it comes to unlawful activity or corruption. It's not reversing an election, it's holding these men and women accountable. They are all easily replaceable to serve our country.
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Jan 31 2020 01:57pm
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I'd say the President does deserve more attention than a House rep. That said, I fully believe we should hold all elected officials accountable and responsible.

I don't think we should go out of our way to protect any of them much when it comes to unlawful activity or corruption. It's not reversing an election, it's holding these men and women accountable. They are all easily replaceable to serve our country.


I agree he definitely deserves much more attention and indeed more scrutiny. But he also deserves a far higher standard to be removed. Dershowitz might say a lot of crazy things, but he's right that the president is the executive and removing him is a drastic overthrow of a whole branch of government, and the founders didn't want to make the president just be a prime minister who serves at the pleasure of parliament. Elected officials already enjoy a privileged immunity to minor offenses that common folk can't get away with, just like celebrities and the wealthy. But for the executive, its right in the constitution that it should take extraordinary measures to remove him from office. Because in the case of a president, it is reversing an election, or at least tampering with it. He's not easily replaceable. The founders meant for one man to be the executive precisely for the benefits of his swift and undivided decision making.
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