Quote (IceMage @ Sep 24 2019 04:03pm)

I don't know what the political impact of impeachment will be, but it's absurd that people create these arbitrary lines. "If Trump didn't conspire with the Russian government, nothing else uncovered matters!" Now, it's "if there wasn't an explicit quid pro quo, it doesn't matter." That's bullshit.

Quote (krackprophet @ Sep 24 2019 05:08pm)

Not really bullshit at all. What was uncovered other than debunking conspiracy? He didn't like being investigated. He told people to do some shit and they said no. This Ukraine stuff isn't clear yet, but if he didn't use aid to pressure them its just not important.

Quote (krackprophet @ Sep 24 2019 02:08pm)

Not really bullshit at all. What was uncovered other than debunking conspiracy? He didn't like being investigated. He told people to do some shit and they said no. This Ukraine stuff isn't clear yet, but if he didn't use aid to pressure them its just not important.

Quote (IceMage @ Sep 24 2019 05:40pm)

Google is your friend here.

Nobody likes to be investigated. That doesn't excuse his behavior. Trump isn't a toddler, stop treating him like one.

Quote (Goomshill @ 24 Sep 2019 08:22)

Specifically, I'd like to draw your attention to how the inflammatory emotionally charged details are borderline libelous yet presented with no evidence or context. We have nothing but the reporters word, and they could easily be lying or presenting a misleading context. Their first detail people seize on is that the bus driver says he doesnt say good morning to the illegal immigrants "who wont say anything back". Well, his rather specific conditional statement could easily mean he simply told the reporter how he says good morning to all the kids, but gave up on saying it to the ones who dont speak english. Its likely a smear, presented to make the reader prejudiced against the guy. Next comes the claimed heckling and victimhood of a priest who in his own quote explicitly says he calls the people of the town racist. Claiming someone receives death threats is a the low bar of victimization that anyone can claim because shit, I get dozens of death threats posting on r/politics, just reading online comments in this politicized era means anyome remotely controversial can say it and probably be true. Have they ever wrote about the daily thousands of death threats against Trump and his family? Now as far as getting heckled, if the priest is making direct aspirations against the townsfolk and wielding a moral bludgeon to smear them as racist to their face, of course hes going to get booed. The writers framed him as having the moral high ground while he doesn't share any of the burden.

So yeah, its a story about the absolute horror story of illegal immigration that confirms everything the trump narrative says. They are extremely high benefit and needy yet pay no taxes, while old white people on fixed incomes are being taxed through the nose to pay for their benefits. Population replacement, dey terk yer jerbs, you name it. And the counterargument is to call anyone who dissents a racist. And they're meta and acknowledge that they're labeling anyone who dissents as racist rather than winning on policy, and they go ahead and frame them as racist anyway. So the liberal elites in mcmansions can scoff at the yokels and bumpkins and say they deserve it

Quote (thundercock @ 24 Sep 2019 19:29)

Some of you are really embarrassing. Everyone needs to ask themselves the following: If it was someone other than Trump as President, would you react the same way?

Quote (EndlessSky @ 24 Sep 2019 23:04)

Not really

The dems would stay home because their party failed them and the GOP would vote out of pure revenge

Quote (GodSmiter @ Sep 24 2019 05:41pm)

Yeah thats called obstruction and it can be impeached

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 24 2019 06:06pm)

As others have already said, the key difference would be the media. NYtimes, WaPo, LAtimes and so on would be so far up Hillary's ass that they could tickle her tonsils from inside...

The leading news outlets of the country are overwhelmingly against Trump and in favor of the agendas of the Democratic establishment and the Republican RINOs. I dont think any president during the last 150 years has faced a press as hostile as Trump. He has a fuckton of flaws and is constantly giving them new ammunition, dont get me wrong, but the press was extremely hostile towards him since before his inauguration. They are not against him because of the mistakes he made in office, they are against him because he is diametrically opposed to the agenda of the uniparty.

The press is blowing everything he does and says and doesnt do and doesnt say out of proportion. Every fart becomes a scandal, every scandal becomes the worst scandal of all times and impeachment worthy and yada yada. They sacrifice any semblance of neutrality and objectivity without hesitation in their crusade against Trump, and then wonder why less and less people care about their opinion.

Quote (IceMage @ Sep 24 2019 04:40pm)

Google is your friend here.

Nobody likes to be investigated. That doesn't excuse his behavior. Trump isn't a toddler, stop treating him like one.

Quote (IceMage @ Sep 24 2019 05:25pm)

So the media obsesses over Trump constantly shooting himself in the foot because he's a protectionist and a bit of an isolationist? That's why Don Lemon and Maddow devote so much time to him?

Also, why do you keep pretending he's some far-out populist? He has very high approval among Republican voters, the vast majority of Republican politicians won't cross him, and he's governed like a normal Republican, absent the trade war and non-interventionism.

Quote (krackprophet @ Sep 24 2019 05:27pm)

You better hope this Ukraine shit pans out with solid evidence. If it doesn't you're pulling people like me closer to voting for Trump simply because the alternative seems much worse.