Quote (Diablokgb @ 22 Jul 2013 14:37)

I don't believe anyone will know or knows the truth. Definition of faith is belief in something that is not based on proof. In order the know the exact "truth" as you describe you would have to able to produce the "proof". Only entity that knows the truth is God (however you know/define him)

The Old and New testaments have been written and re-written by humans. The original texts of those books are lost, they have been humanly filtered to what they are now.

The Islamic holy book "The Quran" is still in its original text. In the Quran it beckons that the reader interpret the text for him or herself. Any and I mean ANY translation is subjected to human flaws and opinion and should not be considered the exact guidance/word of God.

New interpretation will further cloud what God has brought upon to us. When we interpret the texts we do so in a fashion that fits our way of thinking and needs. I.e the people who practice radical Islam, they take parts of the text and say that is what God wants while excluding the rest.

And I believe science is God's installment for us to understand not only our creation but the universes. If you showed an earlier human (lets say from 7,000 years ago) current technology, he/she would label you as a "God". The further we advance in science the further we are to understanding religion.

I am no trying to sound condescending in any way, but I think that just from reading one book you cannot find the truth, whatever it may be.

Quote (Diablokgb @ Jul 22 2013 07:37am)

I don't believe anyone will know or knows the truth. Definition of faith is belief in something that is not based on proof. In order the know the exact "truth" as you describe you would have to able to produce the "proof". Only entity that knows the truth is God (however you know/define him)

The Old and New testaments have been written and re-written by humans. The original texts of those books are lost, they have been humanly filtered to what they are now.

The Islamic holy book "The Quran" is still in its original text. In the Quran it beckons that the reader interpret the text for him or herself. Any and I mean ANY translation is subjected to human flaws and opinion and should not be considered the exact guidance/word of God.

New interpretation will further cloud what God has brought upon to us. When we interpret the texts we do so in a fashion that fits our way of thinking and needs. I.e the people who practice radical Islam, they take parts of the text and say that is what God wants while excluding the rest.

And I believe science is God's installment for us to understand not only our creation but the universes. If you showed an earlier human (lets say from 7,000 years ago) current technology, he/she would label you as a "God". The further we advance in science the further we are to understanding religion.

I am no trying to sound condescending in any way, but I think that just from reading one book you cannot find the truth, whatever it may be.

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Your two selves: Most people are not aware of the fact that they have two different selves. You have a mind and a spirit (consciousness), and though they seem like one thing, they are separate. The way to realize that this is true is to realize that something has to be listening to the thoughts created by your mind.

What is it that hears your thoughts?

There is the part of you that thinks and the part that hears the thoughts. The thinking part is your mind; the part that hears the thoughts is your spiritual-self. You do not actually hear thoughts through your ears, because your mind is already inside your head. The point is, your spiritual-self receives the things the mind creates in a similar way to hearing them.

Check it out: Just ask yourself, what is it that is hearing the thoughts you are thinking right now?

It is your spiritual-self, the same thing that receives all life.

As shown in the drawing, mankind is currently living as their mind-self, and as a result, does not know their spiritual-self. “Know thy self,” as Socrates said.

You have to know true life to know your true self.
Perspective and perception: The same world is perceived differently by a frog and a cat, a cat and a dog, a dog and a human, a child and an adult, a woman and a man. You see something different than I do. All perspectives are unique.

We do not see things the way they are; we see things the way we are.

People see and experience life through their own mind and senses and from their own unique perspective and awareness level. This does not change the truth. The physical world will never change; it cannot change and still exist, but the way you perceive it can. Perception and perspective determine how clearly and truly you see life and how fulfilling or unfulfilling life is for you. Knowing the ultimate truth makes it possible for people to see life clearly and to be filled by it.

You cannot control life, but you can control the way you see life.

Animals other than man are more fulfilled, because they have less mind blocking life, but they are stuck with the perspective and perception they are born with. Human beings can greatly improve our perception by learning the ultimate truth.

All the problems we have stem from people not knowing the truth of life.

Unhappy: People look around and think, why are there so many people that are unhappy? We have progressed so far, yet people are still unhappy. Why isn’t this world the wonderful place it could be? Changing the world doesn’t change us.

It does not matter how much we progress materially; it will not change anything. Only learning and seeing the truth will change us, and thus change everything.

The truth transforms a mortal man into an immortal spiritual being.
It does this because the truth just shows you what you truly are, and that changes everything. The truth does the same thing for the way we see the world and for the same reason. It shows you life clearly; it shows you true life for the first time.

Quote (AEtheric @ Jul 23 2013 10:32pm)

I agree completely. However, you said that the original texts of those books are lost.  Some texts aren't even original texts, yet still use the same terminology, such as the Gospel of Thomas. I am almost certain that the Gospel of Thomas is Jesus' true sayings.

Quote (Diablokgb @ Jul 29 2013 05:19am)

I am familiar with that Gospel...but I have one question before I can post my thought. Was the Gospel written as Jesus was talking (Like Thomas had a quill and paper in hand and taking down the EXACT words as Jesus spoke or did he for instance write down what he remembered and "thought" Jesus said, from either the previous night or after Jesus's crucifixion There is quite an enormous difference between the two.)

Quote (Diablokgb @ 29 Jul 2013 12:19)

I am familiar with that Gospel...but I have one question before I can post my thought. Was the Gospel written as Jesus was talking (Like Thomas had a quill and paper in hand and taking down the EXACT words as Jesus spoke or did he for instance write down what he remembered and "thought" Jesus said, from either the previous night or after Jesus's crucifixion There is quite an enormous difference between the two.)