Bringing the discussion strain to the correct thread:
your missing the point, Iran has them, but are not using them. North Korea has nukes but is not using them, even though their rhetoric is also extreme.
Iran does not have deployable nukes just yet, although they're inching closer. Additionally, North Korea has always been highly isolationist and didn't fund militias or proxy wars abroad, or try to install puppet regimes in neighboring countries like Iran did in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. So yes, I think the prospect of Iran acquiring the bomb is more scary than a nuclearly armed North Korea ever was.
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I get it - we hear the Iranian rhetoric, but is it any different from that of Israel? has Israel not sang the same song of killing everyone from the river to the sea?
Sounds like projection.
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The only difference with Israel is that they are doing it.
Israel has waged war in Gaza, one of the most dense urban places in the world, for 18 months and the death toll is so small it barely offsets Gaza's natural population growth. I really don't think Israel's action qualify as "talking about killing everyone from the river to the sea, and then actually doing it", to put it mildly.
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We are also talking about Iran, not Saudi (who are allied with the US and have done unspeakable things - with the consent from the US). Saudi Arabia went into Yemen in much the same way as Israel went in to Iran. In their case, over 1/4 of a million people are dead. That war was launched with the approval and logistical support of the United States (see the similarities?), especially under the Obama and Trump administrations. The US provided intelligence, aerial refueling, and arms sales. The war has caused a major humanitarian crisis, with widespread famine, civilian casualties, and infrastructure destruction.
In October 2018, Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist and critic of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), was murdered inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Investigations concluded that he was lured, killed, and dismembered by a Saudi hit team. US intelligence later assessed that the operation was approved by MBS, who the US supports.
So ye, you either support that or maybe dont mention Saudi to further your points.
I never claimed that SA was a beacon of democracy and humanitarianism. And yes, the war they waged in Yemen is cruel and was probably unnecessary. I was never fond of it back in the day and am still not fond of it today. Nonetheless, the way the Houthis in Yemen have tried to blackmail the whole world by closing off the Suez route has shown that they are a problem which needs to be dealt with. In hindsight, the Saudis had more of a point trying to get rid of them than I had given credit. On aggregate, the war in Yemen is imho still wrong, though.
Either way, Iran's support for the Houthis has contributed significantly to the outbreak of the war in Yemen. Irrespective from how moral or likeable the nation on the receiving end (SA) is, this furthers my point that Iran needlessly destabilized the region once we took the boot off their neck and gave them financial breathing room. No matter how much Iran has been wronged by the US in the past, the responsibility for these actions falls squarely on them and them alone.
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