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Jun 21 2025 02:42am
You're a Judeo-Bolshevist.

^Many_Names these people are the enemy of humanity & Israel included



i hope you just playing the usual victim card and arent that delulu :lol:
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Jun 21 2025 02:43am
I posted a twitter piece about England and Iran. here is another one, from the english guy that said the US needs to finish the job -

Niall Ferguson: A Historian Who Wants to Make History

When Niall Ferguson recently suggested that Israel has already bombed Iran and that the United States should “finish the job,” it was more than a strategic comment on geopolitics. It was a revealing glimpse into the psyche of a man whose ambitions stretch far beyond the academic study of history — a man who wants to be part of the very history he analyzes. This brief but bold statement encapsulates Ferguson’s character in a way that few longer essays could. It highlights a mindset not content with passive observation, but eager for active intervention. Ferguson is not just a chronicler of events; he sees himself as an actor on the world stage. Ferguson has a reputation for having a significant ego, and he’s often described as someone who blurs the line between being a historian of power and someone who wants to exercise it. Evidence of this ambition and self-importance is everywhere:

He has openly said, “I don’t just want to write about history. I want to shape it.” That’s not a casual comment—it's a direct admission of his historical ambition.
Ferguson has advised powerful figures such as Senator John McCain, Prime Minister Boris Johnson, and perhaps most notably Henry Kissinger, whom he wrote a massive biography on and whom he seems to consciously emulate.
He was a vocal advocate for the Iraq War, framing it as an “imperial mission” akin to the British Empire’s colonial ventures—a stance far from neutral or dispassionate.
More recently, he co-founded the University of Austin, arguing for a “new elite” to lead civilization against decline, positioning himself not merely as an analyst but as a public intellectual with a mandate.

His advocacy for targeted strikes against Iran’s nuclear facilities, framed as “finishing Israel’s job,” reflects this activist stance. It is a call for decisive action rooted in a conservative worldview that praises Western power and interventionism. Ferguson’s public calls echo his earlier positions supporting military interventions and his writings that argue for the moral and strategic superiority of Western empires. In sum, Ferguson’s statement about Iran is more than geopolitical commentary—it is a mirror reflecting his character. A historian who does not simply observe history but yearns to create it, Ferguson reveals a complex blend of intellectual rigor, ambition, and ego. From just a few words, we glimpse the essence of a man determined to influence the future as profoundly as he studies the past.

To expand this point - German Chancellor Friedrich Merz recently made a statement that has garnered significant attention. He remarked that Israel is "doing the dirty work for all of us" by taking military action against Iran. We can then overlay that with Donald Trump when he said "We know exactly where the so-called 'Supreme Leader' is hiding. He is an easy target, but is safe there. We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now".

All of this is highlighting that the West is taking a deep dive away from established normal behavior. Basically they are "making a move". Its some kind of collective Narcissistic, Hawkish, Imperialistic and Megalomaniacal mindset. The double standards is really next level.

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If Israel was run by people like Ayman Odeh, they might survive and actually have peace in the region.

The way it's going, it's going to implode from within.
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Yeah your cult controls a country surrounded by enemies ..economy is sht now .. should of been happy in any country owning banks and being safe. I don't see anything changing in Israel anytime soon.. Economy, boycotts abroad. To bad really I grew up liking Israel and the idea of a promise land given by god. Then I educated myself once I had more time on my hands besides the 30 minutes of news/propaganda media a day..


Right now the economy is completely fine, the investment market are all green and what boycott? LoL

I couldnt careless what you grew up to believe.
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If Israel was run by people like Ayman Odeh, they might survive and actually have peace in the region.

The way it's going, it's going to implode from within.


An Arab who seeks to dismantle Israel and replace it with yet another dysfunctional state under Arab leadership.

The Muslim Mayor of Nazareth kicks out Ayman Odeh, who incites and causes trouble,
telling him:
“Ayman, get out of here — you’ve ruined everything for us. Go to Haifa and make trouble there instead!”
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more analysis to support US involvement.
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Jun 21 2025 06:16am
Bringing the discussion strain to the correct thread:

your missing the point, Iran has them, but are not using them. North Korea has nukes but is not using them, even though their rhetoric is also extreme.

Iran does not have deployable nukes just yet, although they're inching closer. Additionally, North Korea has always been highly isolationist and didn't fund militias or proxy wars abroad, or try to install puppet regimes in neighboring countries like Iran did in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. So yes, I think the prospect of Iran acquiring the bomb is more scary than a nuclearly armed North Korea ever was.


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I get it - we hear the Iranian rhetoric, but is it any different from that of Israel? has Israel not sang the same song of killing everyone from the river to the sea?

Sounds like projection.


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The only difference with Israel is that they are doing it.

Israel has waged war in Gaza, one of the most dense urban places in the world, for 18 months and the death toll is so small it barely offsets Gaza's natural population growth. I really don't think Israel's action qualify as "talking about killing everyone from the river to the sea, and then actually doing it", to put it mildly.


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We are also talking about Iran, not Saudi (who are allied with the US and have done unspeakable things - with the consent from the US). Saudi Arabia went into Yemen in much the same way as Israel went in to Iran. In their case, over 1/4 of a million people are dead. That war was launched with the approval and logistical support of the United States (see the similarities?), especially under the Obama and Trump administrations. The US provided intelligence, aerial refueling, and arms sales. The war has caused a major humanitarian crisis, with widespread famine, civilian casualties, and infrastructure destruction.

In October 2018, Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist and critic of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), was murdered inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Investigations concluded that he was lured, killed, and dismembered by a Saudi hit team. US intelligence later assessed that the operation was approved by MBS, who the US supports.

So ye, you either support that or maybe dont mention Saudi to further your points.

I never claimed that SA was a beacon of democracy and humanitarianism. And yes, the war they waged in Yemen is cruel and was probably unnecessary. I was never fond of it back in the day and am still not fond of it today. Nonetheless, the way the Houthis in Yemen have tried to blackmail the whole world by closing off the Suez route has shown that they are a problem which needs to be dealt with. In hindsight, the Saudis had more of a point trying to get rid of them than I had given credit. On aggregate, the war in Yemen is imho still wrong, though.

Either way, Iran's support for the Houthis has contributed significantly to the outbreak of the war in Yemen. Irrespective from how moral or likeable the nation on the receiving end (SA) is, this furthers my point that Iran needlessly destabilized the region once we took the boot off their neck and gave them financial breathing room. No matter how much Iran has been wronged by the US in the past, the responsibility for these actions falls squarely on them and them alone.


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Bringing the discussion strain to the correct thread:


Iran does not have deployable nukes just yet, although they're inching closer. Additionally, North Korea has always been highly isolationist and didn't fund militias or proxy wars abroad, or try to install puppet regimes in neighboring countries like Iran did in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. So yes, I think the prospect of Iran acquiring the bomb is more scary than a nuclearly armed North Korea ever was.



Sounds like projection.



Israel has waged war in Gaza, one of the most dense urban places in the world, for 18 months and the death toll is so small it barely offsets Gaza's natural population growth. I really don't think Israel's action qualify as "talking about killing everyone from the river to the sea, and then actually doing it", to put it mildly.



I never claimed that SA was a beacon of democracy and humanitarianism. And yes, the war they waged in Yemen is cruel and was probably unnecessary. I was never fond of it back in the day and am still not fond of it today. Nonetheless, the way the Houthis in Yemen have tried to blackmail the whole world by closing off the Suez route has shown that they are a problem which needs to be dealt with. In hindsight, the Saudis had more of a point trying to get rid of them than I had given credit. On aggregate, the war in Yemen is imho still wrong, though.

Either way, Iran's support for the Houthis has contributed significantly to the outbreak of the war in Yemen. Irrespective from how moral or likeable the nation on the receiving end (SA) is, this furthers my point that Iran needlessly destabilized the region once we took the boot off their neck and gave them financial breathing room. No matter how much Iran has been wronged by the US in the past, the responsibility for these actions falls squarely on them and them alone.


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your quoting me out of context, i said Iran has chemical weapons but has not used them. From the get go your debating in bad faith, misquoting me and then saying that I am projecting. You then have the audacity to say (relating to gaza) that "the death toll is so small" yet when Iran kills 24 Israeli's, Many_names stresses that this is not a minor number. The Houthis are the only country, in the world, apart from Iran, that were willing to take action against Israel's war on Gaza, and for that the UK and US bombed them, disproportionately.

would it be correct to state that your position is, Iran only has themselves to blame, and the same goes for those living in Gaza ? Ultimately, our positions are entrenched and we have different views about these subjects. Maybe we can do a survey to firm our views on certain points. ill think of something.

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Jun 21 2025 07:40am
Right now the economy is completely fine, the investment market are all green and what boycott? LoL

I couldnt careless what you grew up to believe.


Pretend a real thing doesn't exist. The most common Israeli tactic. Yes the boycotts are real. So real that American lawmakers are looking for ways to make Americans incapable of boycotting Israel further.
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Jun 21 2025 07:48am
Pretend a real thing doesn't exist. The most common Israeli tactic. Yes the boycotts are real. So real that American lawmakers are looking for ways to make Americans incapable of boycotting Israel further.


We’ve been at war for two years, and honestly, the only thing we feel here is the brief daily barrage maybe 10 minutes of discomfort.
What would I even gain from lying? It’s not like I’m in some sort of competition.
I’m literally in the middle of building my house the only issue I had was with the workers, and even that’s sorted now.
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