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10% for too much using the "you" word

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ok this was a good post thank you.

The West Bank is not a country. How long has it been occupied and is there any indication / narrative from Israel, that it will leave the West Bank (and pay reparations) ? if the answer is no then you have to consider that it is defacto controlled by Israel, ergo, a part of Israel, ergo anything that happens there falls under the umbrella of Israel, when view from the international stage. This does however explain why Israel is vehement about the notion that it is not an Apartheid state.


After what happend in Gaza Israel is going to tighten its grip in west bank.

Israel will abandon land only if it can be secured.
We are not going to gamble on peoples life
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After what happend in Gaza Israel is going to tighten its grip in west bank.

Israel will abandon land only if it can be secured.
We are not going to gamble on peoples life


can you rephrase that ? or word it differently sothat I understand what you are saying.

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can you rephrase that ? or word it differently sothat I understand what you are saying.


If the other side is accepting our existence and want to live in peace we will move out
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If the other side is accepting our existence and want to live in peace we will move out


Did someone not the other day show an increase in the Israeli population in the West Bank, over time ? does this not fly in the face of your statement ?
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Did someone not the other day show an increase in the Israeli population in the West Bank, over time ? does this not fly in the face of your statement ?


No
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No


ok can you elaborate? i will scroll back to see if i can find it.

wiki ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_statistics_for_Israeli_settlements_in_the_West_Bank

As of January 2023, there are 144 Israeli settlements in the West Bank, including 12 in East Jerusalem.[2] In addition, there are over 100 Israeli illegal outposts in the West Bank. In total, over 450,000 Israeli settlers live in the West Bank excluding East Jerusalem, with an additional 220,000 Jewish settlers residing in East Jerusalem.[3][4]

wiki ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank

As of 2022, there are over 450,000 Israeli settlers living in 132 Israeli settlements in the West Bank excluding East Jerusalem, with an additional 220,000 Jewish settlers residing in 12 settlements in East Jerusalem.

I cant find anything to hand to show the population growth but I will look later, but regardless, thats almost half a million people, are you suggesting they will leave if the palestinians in the west bank say "ok lets make peace not war" ? I presume that wiki information is correct.

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so TLDR: 450,000 Israeli's in the west bank and you are suggesting -

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 23 2023 05:56am)
If the other side is accepting our existence and want to live in peace we will move out


that makes no sense to me and does not sound credible. there are legal and illegal settlements in the west bank (no idea what defines the two), there is no way that individually or collectively they pack their bags and go home. why would palestinians be given any degree of control in the west bank if it is an occupied territory ? this makes no sense to me. if Israel wants to pacify the area and "move out" surely the first step is controlling the entire population (muslim/jewish/israeli/palestinian).

if my statements are irritating, i am sorry, i am just trying to understand.

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