No, I am saying Gaza is not necessarily relevant to the question of Apartheid in Israel. Israel should have one supreme authority, the Israeli Government. If you want to say that Gaza is a town or a city, with a mayor, fine, but there should be no authority in all of Israel, that can be an authority equal to the Israeli Government. I cannot think of another country that is so religiously divided and has different leadership and is still the same country (and not two countries). What do they have in common? which then leads to:

1. What do they not have in common.
2. What can one group do, and the other cant.
3. Why would Israel allow an ethnic minority govern itself.

What Israel is doing right now is...quelling an insurrection/protest from an ethnic minority. It has not invaded another country. It is basically doing what Ukraine did for 7 years 2014-2021. In this regard Israel is free to do what it wants, in Israel. A bit like China and Taiwan I guess.

lets not get distracted. the question is: Is Israel an Apartheid state, yes or no, and how do you prove the argument one way or the other.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 22 2023 01:32pm

So now we never left?
Dude we left at 2005, uprooted out people and let them be.

Thats not deflecting there were no uprising when they were controlled by Egypt

You are an establishment shill on every issue, you do this in every thread lol. You support the worst shit in the world by arguing against any criticism of it and then offering some lame "well I think it is bad too" when called out.

Wouldn't be nearly as bad if you actually knew what you were talking about instead of basing your views on your gut feelings and social media posts you vaguely remember.

"never left" yet Israel has controlled 6 out of the 7 land borders, Israel controls the air and the ocean and the electricity

its like telling prisoners "youre not in prison" just because the guards took the keys and went home for a bit


This post was edited by gnarjay on Nov 22 2023 01:45pm

And you do what you do. Attack people when you run out of arguments^^

Every country control its border I dont have to open border to neighboring country.
The “blockade” didnt start at the beginning it started when Hamas took over and started with the violence.
You can ask Egypt why they keep the border closed for their brothers

Now there is the correct question. the answer to which is clear, because ousting that ethnic minority government causes thousands of civilian deaths, as we're currently seeing.

israel, before the retreat which led to the rise of Hamas, tried to govern Gaza. it went poorly. so they said nevermind, you're no longer part of Israel.

and the next question is, well if they aren't part of israel what are they. and the answer is a territorial area stuck in limbo. the international community, not just israel, wont recognize them as a sovereign nation. not just due to the confusing relationship they have with israel, but because their govt is an internationally recognized terrorist organization that couped their way into power by killing the oppisition and winning a sham democratic election.

whether gaza is a country is semantics, whether they are a part of israel isn't. they're not. the aid they receive from israel doesnt make them a part of israel, even if that aid is power, water, and internet. the fact that they have a blockade surrounding them doesnt make them a part of the nation that blockades them. israel openly doesnt even want gaza, they dont want to have to blockade it, they dont want to have to deal with it at all.

this "apartheid" label is akin to saying the EU and UK relationship reperesents apartheid. lack of free travel, different rights, etc. APARTHEID!

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 22 2023 01:54pm

They cant deal with that argument because they were taught Israel is bloodlust country with intention to spread.
And here is an example of “go govern yourself and leave us alone”

my point is, remove Gaza from the equation entirely, look at the rest of Israel and then ask the same question re: apartheid. i.e. The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, Rights of Non-Jewish people outside of Gaza and any physical divide in Israel, social divide reinforced by laws should also be considered.



what are you on about ? we dont get taught anything in school about Israel, other then from a historical context, which is very brief. Not everything is about Israel ok. Can you please stop deflecting. If you want to engage in the conversation (with me) stop making assumptions, stop deflecting, stop lying, answer questions and debate in good faith. thanks.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 22 2023 02:17pm