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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 10 2020 04:43pm)
The National Education Association, the largest labor union from the education sector in the US with over 2 million members, almost exclusively supports Democrats, is actively involved in the selection of Democratic nominees and about 97% of the political donations from their members go to Democrats.They have endorsed every Democratic candidate for president from Carter to Biden, and never endorsed a Republican. [1]

The American Federation of Teachers, the second largest such union in the US with over 1.7 million members, similarly endorses the Democratic candidate in presidential elections; 95% of the campaign donations by their members go to Democrats. [2]

Note that there are roughly 3.7 million teachers in the US. You do the math. [3]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Education_Association
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teachers#Political_activities
[3] https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372


Doesn't necessarily represent that the teachers are staunch liberals because, as you should know by now, the Democratic party is not staunch liberal.

Additionally they advocate for their members and unions, so even if the members are all Republicans they will donate to and support Democrats because Republicans actively try to eliminate or weaken teachers unions.
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Maybe not all of them are staunch liberals. But as a group, teachers are undeniably liberal-leaning. Staunch liberals are really not rare among the teaching staff, while staunch conservatives are.

I'm thinking of stuff like "girls have dicks too", "the world will end if we dont reach net zero carbon emissions by the year 2030", "systemic racism is ubiquitous in this country" and similar stuff. To be fair, I shouldnt have mentioned something absurd like creationism.


Girls can have as many dicks as they want depending on how you define girl.

"The world will end" is only a liberal thing if you do the hacky thing where you ignore obvious hyperbole and ignore that all the scientific predictions have actually underestimated the effects of global warming.

Systemic racism is pretty ubiquitous, and you've been shown this many times with basic things like resume tests and yet you still repeat stupid comparisons like "black immigrants do better than local blacks therefore no racism".

It's not enough that it has a specific slant, the slant has to be concurrent with reality. It was only 10 years ago that most Republicans still denied that global warming even existed. It was seen as partisan to teach kids that global warming was happening despite the fact that it would have absolutely been appropriate for schools to teach global warming caused by humans is a fact and there will be significant consequences for not mitigating it.

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This doesn't concern me. If the parents want to teach something contradictory to the teacher, that's their prerogative. Just don't do it on the teacher's time.

hmm due to virtual learning the classroom is now the parents home, so it’s their time too. so they’re expected to shove off and not even listen at all in passing or have any insight to what their kids learn? interesting

the crux of the peaceful protester educator’s post was “conversations on sexuality and gender”. apparently that’s all he and his co-educators teach. nothing about math science reading literature problem-solving civics etc. hope he isnt an elementary school educator -_-
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Parents have their place in their kids education, but they also have places they don't belong. If you want to break down cultural barriers and teach kids things that their culture doesn't like then the presence of parents are detrimental.

If you were trying to teach evolution in Alabama, do you really want parents in your classroom? Probably not, they'd get upset, muddy the waters, encourage dissent, etc. etc.

The separation from parents is a key feature of schools that allows for breaking down some cultural barriers and allows real discussion. It also encourages kids to be independent and take their education into their own hands before they're thrown to the wolves in college with balancing work and learning.


This is exactly what is being criticized. Teachers are hired to educate on specific subject matter. They're not life coaches, nor are they qualified to be. Many aren't even particularly qualified for what they're being asked to teach.

If we paid teachers high salaries and held them to a correspondingly high standard (see : Singapore), there might be room for a larger role. But we don't, and parents understandably don't want children subject to ideological indoctrination by dubiously qualified adults who, by virtue of their role, are inherent authority figures.
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Doesn't necessarily represent that the teachers are staunch liberals because, as you should know by now, the Democratic party is not staunch liberal.

Additionally they advocate for their members and unions, so even if the members are all Republicans they will donate to and support Democrats because Republicans actively try to eliminate or weaken teachers unions.


"Teachers aren't staunch liberals" --> It is readily apparent that teachers are predominately left-leaning, overwhelmingly support the Democratic party, policies and priorities.

That is exactly what the lay person understands to be a "staunch liberal". Quibbling over the definition is a non-argument, they are firmly on the left of the American political spectrum.
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Additionally they advocate for their members and unions, so even if the members are all Republicans they will donate to and support Democrats because Republicans actively try to eliminate or weaken teachers unions.


I wanted to let your reply stand for itself, but upon second reading, I realized that this argument of yours doesnt even make logical sense. If the members of teachers unions were all (or predominantly) Republicans, then the Republican party would never ever try to eliminate or weaken them. Likewise, if a majority, let alone a big majority, of their members were Republicans, teachers unions would not comprehensively support the Democratic platform on education policy the way they do in real life. All evidence clearly points toward teachers (and not just their unions) being a thoroughly left-leaning bunch. Whether the exact term "staunch liberal" is adequate or not is irrelevant for this broader point.

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I wanted to let your reply stand for itself, but upon second reading, I realized that this argument of yours doesnt even make logical sense. If the members of teachers unions were all (or predominantly) Republicans, then the Republican party would never ever try to eliminate or weaken them. Likewise, if a majority, let alone a big majority, of their members were Republicans, teachers unions would not comprehensively support the Democratic platform on education policy the way they do in real life. All evidence clearly points toward teachers (and not just their unions) being a thoroughly left-leaning bunch. Whether the exact term "staunch liberal" is adequate or not is irrelevant for this broader point.


There are plenty of demographics that would love to vote Republican for policy reasons but can't for other reasons.

Jews for example overwhelmingly skew democrat, not because of their policy considerations but because the Republican party flirts with white supremacists.
Hispanics also have more conservative values but go Democrat because of the hostilities often shown by Republicans.

A union has to represent the best interests of the union so it can maintain power to represent it's professional interests of it's members. There's nothing here that doesn't make logical sense.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 10 2020 09:15pm)
I wanted to let your reply stand for itself, but upon second reading, I realized that this argument of yours doesnt even make logical sense. If the members of teachers unions were all (or predominantly) Republicans, then the Republican party would never ever try to eliminate or weaken them. Likewise, if a majority, let alone a big majority, of their members were Republicans, teachers unions would not comprehensively support the Democratic platform on education policy the way they do in real life. All evidence clearly points toward teachers (and not just their unions) being a thoroughly left-leaning bunch. Whether the exact term "staunch liberal" is adequate or not is irrelevant for this broader point.



According to exit polls, 61 percent of non-college-educated white voters cast their ballots for Republicans while just 45 percent of college-educated white voters did so. Meanwhile 53 percent of college-educated white voters cast their votes for Democrats compared with 37 percent of those without a degree.
The diploma divide, as it’s often called, is not occurring across the electorate; it is primarily a phenomenon among white voters.


where do D and R votes fall along the College degree line? (majority) of course there are exceptions. Wouldn't the college education line explain "left leaning voters" just as much as a political agenda? Isn't this is almost the same of what R's complain about.. Some sort of government action or rule to manipulate an outcome which may just be in place naturally. Small government or no?
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Aug 10 2020 11:12pm
Meanwhile on the virus front if they stop football. Trump will never get re elected
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There are plenty of demographics that would love to vote Republican for policy reasons but can't for other reasons.

Jews for example overwhelmingly skew democrat, not because of their policy considerations but because the Republican party flirts with white supremacists.
Hispanics also have more conservative values but go Democrat because of the hostilities often shown by Republicans.

A union has to represent the best interests of the union so it can maintain power to represent it's professional interests of it's members. There's nothing here that doesn't make logical sense.


There is no other reason why the interests of teachers unions and Republicans should be inherently incompatible except for the hostility shown by Republicans towards these unions. And this hostility quite clearly comes from both the teachers unions and their members leaning liberal/Democratic. Partisan animosity might be able to explain why 95-97% of these unions' donations go to Democrats, but it cant explain their alignment with Democrats on the issues/policy.

Hispanics might be more conservative on social issues than white liberals, and align more with Republicans on those issues, but they are also a very left-leaning bloc (relative to the rest of the nation) on economic policy. On top, their Catholicism probably doesnt mesh too well with the Evangelical bloc which is very dominant within the GOP.

Jews in the US are very urban, white collar- and globalist-leaning. They are strongly overrepresented among liberal-leaning professions like law and the media. So yes, racist undercurrents within the GOP are surely pushing Jews into the Democratic camp even more, but they'd be a strongly Democratic-leaning constituency even without this factor.

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